THSCC Forums

Okay, I will put on a flame-proof suit....

Let me get this right....we have dumped hundreds of man hours into timing equipment and bus and no time into getting some documents together for the RBC Center.

Why was there never a request for a committee to generate the needed paperwork? Why was this never brought to the attention of the membership?

We lost the night series and our most popular events due to paperwork?

I do not see any excuse to why we did not even pursue the RBC site.

Plus this is the kind of documents and proposal we can show to an owner of a site like the old WD center....

_________________
Jim Pastorius
2008 Silverado VortecMax
1992 Camaro CMC#92
2002 BMW R1150R

2009 3rd Place CMC Mid-Atlantic Championship
2009 CMC Hyperfest Winner

I bet the RBC Center would be eager to get some business from us, considering there is no hockey - AB

_________________
'14 Toyota Sequoia Platinum 4WD
Super Westerfield Bros - '93 Integra - LeChump Du Jour
STX 93 - Scion FR-S

no flame suit necessary.

i don't think it was paperwork...i think it was due to some of RBC's requirements not being cost effective (or even possible) for the club to pursue...that's what i took from the previous posts anyway

_________________
05 MCS

Take off your flame suit and put a pen in your hand, man

It's not the effort. It's the probability of success we're talking about. No one was confident that this WOULD work. Maybe a 10% chance?

And several people HAVE worked on this proposal. It's just never been followed through. Completion of tasks like this are a real challenge for a volunteer organization.

Yeah, and I volunteered for the bus work because it's a fun challenge. If I hated working on it (as I would an emergency action plan) I wouldn't have volunteered!

So who likes to obsess about emergency logistics and things like EV support? That's just not my ball o' wax.

_________________
Mike Whitney
whit32@gmail.com, 919-454-5445
V10, V8, V8t, I6, I6, V6, F4t, I4, I4, I4, I4, I2, 1, 1

When we met with the RBC center, they made it clear that they were "doing us a favor" by letting us run there. Like Miles said, they ain't making money on us. There really is no incentive except community support. For all we know, that incentive may have dried up in the last 6 months.

At the meeting I was prepared to offer all kinds of event possibilities - manufacturer support, driver training, press days, etc, etc. Anything involving cars. They were 100% not interested in expanding beyond our club at the time.

_________________
Mike Whitney
whit32@gmail.com, 919-454-5445
V10, V8, V8t, I6, I6, V6, F4t, I4, I4, I4, I4, I2, 1, 1

Exactly. Which is why this is a good time for us to bring this up. But unless someone (OTHER than a VP - they have too much on their plate already) steps up to do this, it ain't gonna get done.

And unfortunately I can only think of a dozen or so people who have enough behind-the-scenes understanding of the club's operations who can do this.

Want me to post a list of names and call some people out?

Oops! Sorry, forgot, I'm not a VP anymore So, never mind! All IMO!

_________________
Mike Whitney
whit32@gmail.com, 919-454-5445
V10, V8, V8t, I6, I6, V6, F4t, I4, I4, I4, I4, I2, 1, 1

Nothing we do is cost effective Hell, $700 tires for 30-60 minutes of use ain't cost effective.

Personally, I would be all for 2-3 regular dates there and bag the night series if cost is the issue. And how much are we willing to pay for a site that is within 10 miles of 80-90% of the membership?

_________________
Jim Pastorius
2008 Silverado VortecMax
1992 Camaro CMC#92
2002 BMW R1150R

2009 3rd Place CMC Mid-Atlantic Championship
2009 CMC Hyperfest Winner

Jim, I do remember this situation being discussed during at least one THSCC meeting, and maybe two. One of us gave a briefing on the meeting results to the membership, and a call for volunteers was issued. I do remember a committee of three that was formed to address the development of the EAP. I'm not sure where that went, but the effort was started.

It seems clear that this project could use some re-energizing. I did some research and gathered some ideas that were passed on to the committee, and I'd be glad to share those with you if you wanted to pick this up. I'm just flat out of time to add any more club related duties to my plate, but I'd be happy to share what I know with someone that wanted to take over this effort. Clearly, the first thing that needs to be done is to find out the status of the group that worked on it last year.

We put together a really nice presentation on club demographics, history, experience, etc. and we have that package as a basis for presenting club information.

When we get an agreed upon place to store common files and club documents, I will put it there. Oh yeah, that's another project that is in limbo- a common location for club documents. I think somebody's working on that one too??

Miles

All club related documents that are in electronic form should be kept by the club President.

Not all such things can be put in a "public" area, unless we think it's a good idea to share all the web passwords, paypal passwords, etc with the entire membership.

Scott

I would ask Miles if something beyond the material he uses today to try and recruit sites would be of value?

The RBC may or may not be approachable at this point. But addressing those concerns in a document to provide Miles with further ammunition when negotiating with future site owners might help. Is the RBC the only site to come back on us regarding insurance, safety, medical attention, etc...

Also along those lines. Would Mark V. and the track club have material that covers this? Or does the track provide 100% support for these areas?

Graham

_________________
http://www.greywinds.com

Here are a couple of other thoughts about RBC and other sites...

Miles, you stated that the RBC center's insurance is renewed each year-is that at the beginning of the year or another quarter-end? If at the beginning of the year, they are under a new contract now and may be insured by another company. Also, if we have any control over how our events are presented to the ins. companies then we need to remove teh word "race" from the description. Automotive "events" and "training sessions" are much more benign than "races."

On securing other sites, Miles, you probably already know this but our autocrosses can be a source of advertising for empty, unused warehouses. That's how NCR got the Wilmington Industrial Park.

_________________
'99 Mk IV Jetta VR6 now claimed by the better half.

'90 Miata A-package, Floats like a butterfly and buzzes like a BEE with loudspeakers.

With a timer setup in my mind Autocross is not a trainning session and much more a race sorry but that is just my opinoin, an to try and pass them off to as something else to the RBC center or anyone else is just setting ourselves up for a fall later on.

_________________
David Teague
2015 Lexus IS 250c
1994 Honda Del Sol HS 39
2009 Dodge Journey R/T
http://teaguefamily.us

It's been a while since anything has been posted in this thread.

I was out at the flea market a couple of weeks ago and looked at the area that they use for the new midway. Unfortunately, there aren't any good aerial photos online yet. It isn't huge but I think that a suitable course could be designed. For those who don't know, I'm talking about the area that the grandstands overlook. It would take some logictical magic to get all the possible entrances to the site secured, but I think Tarheel could get that figured out.

My question is this, have we ever approached the Fair Grounds management about using one of the lots? I know THSCC did a couple of charity events years ago (SADD, MADD) but have they ever held a regular event there?

_________________
Todd Breakey
STS 42 - 1992 Sunburst Miata
Dammit!
"You souldn't play leap frog with a porcupine. You might get hurt." - Eliza

The club used to run regularly at the fairgrounds. I think we lost the site because management there was afraid of liablilty issues. But it might be worth approaching them again since that was 2 Ag comissioners ago.

_________________
George Bright Member # 141
One of the youngest of the old farts.
Yes I voted against you joining the club.

also keep your eyes open for dirt lots as well. good ones anyway.

_________________
hey yall,watch this...