The Process of Getting New Sites

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:38 am

Steven Carter wrote:

Someone should post to the NCR and CCR websites, as the location seems easy for both clubs. Could be a potential NCAC site....getting stoked for July! :thumbsup:

BTW, not intended to be a slight at our Triad friends/neighbors, I just assumed a southeastern location would not be attractive to a Piedmont-based group as it looks to be over 2 hours of driving to get there. Of course, let them know of our new site as well.

Arthur McDonald · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:54 am **Posts:** 2052

Just want to confirm that the DATE for the Jimmy V event will still be July 20-21. (OK, I see the website update, but want to be absolutely sure) I've been asked to display my considerable karting skills at a NASA enduro VIR that weekend.

Autocross takes priority, but I don't want to turn down the karting invitation if the autocross date is moving.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:13 am

Arthur McDonald wrote:

Just want to confirm that the DATE for the Jimmy V event will still be July 20-21. (OK, I see the website update, but want to be absolutely sure) I've been asked to display my considerable karting skills at a NASA enduro VIR that weekend.

Autocross takes priority, but I don't want to turn down the karting invitation if the autocross date is moving.

you can give up a weekend of racing Art, I am.

so saturday or sunday? opinions?

JamesMilko · **Posted:** Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:44 am

I think Sunday comes with nearly a case of Bud for you.

If you're doing only one day I'd take the day with better weather.

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

Just to keep this thread alive, my latest leads are:

RDU park and ride #5 (I think there are too many light poles though, but I'll check it out). It's normally closed, excpet for holidays when they need excess capacity. I have a call in there. Its a skinny site with lightpoles, but man, the thought of an autocross 5 minutes from my house is too tempting to ignore. For reference, I would NOT get your hopes up on this one.

Fayeteville airport:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Fayettev ... rport+(FAY),+400+Airport+Rd,+Fayetteville,+Cumberland,+North+Carolina+28306&hl=en&ll=34.987078,-78.878939&spn=0.010126,0.022337&sll=35.888268,-78.773282&sspn=0.010013,0.022337&t=h&geocode=FVPrFQIdVUdM-w&hnear=Fayetteville+Regional+Airport+(FAY),+400+Airport+Rd,+Fayetteville,+Cumberland,+North+Carolina+28306&z=16

If anyone knows anything about this airport, please let me know. Specifically, which runways are active right now. Anyone know who to talk to there or am I gonna have to cold call this one? I'm guessing the dark colored one by the terminal is the main active runway, just curious about the other ones running east/west. They look pretty cracked from the satellite image (a good thing in our case). Alternatively, the recangular piece of asphalt looks interesting as well, although in some levels of zoom, there is a plane parked on it, not sure if that is its normal purpose or just an action shot. I can see them potentially letting us access the site from Doc Bennet rd to keep us out of site. Again, the idea exists only in my head so far, but we will see. . .

Please do continue to post any other leads you can think of. I'm always open to new site ideas. It would be awesome to have a whole season worth of sites at our disposal, and would give us the leverage to potentially push back on price increases or negotiate some of our higher price sites down a bit. I certainly wouldn't complain with a schedule next year of: TNT, Non points: Laurinburg; 3 events at Danville, 2 at Crown, 1 at Piedmont, and 2 at NCCAR, but I'd love to try other things.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:31 pm

I've been meaning to post about the Wilson Mall. Since Sears left, the rear of the entire building is not used hardly at all any longer. It's a decent sized area (not huge but decent) and ther would be a separate area for grid IIRC. It may be a long shot, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. I'm sure it's run by some management company, though I doubt they are local.

JamesMilko · **Posted:** Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:49 pm

Both runways are marked as active on the diagrams I can find.

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:08 pm

Vincent Keene wrote:

I've been meaning to post about the Wilson Mall. Since Sears left, the rear of the entire building is not used hardly at all any longer. It's a decent sized area (not huge but decent) and ther would be a separate area for grid IIRC. It may be a long shot, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. I'm sure it's run by some management company, though I doubt they are local.

Ah, the good old days -- that was the site of the one of the biggest battles I've ever experienced autocrossing.

Back in the stone ages, the mall was closed on Sundays of course. The course was setup spanning three lots, and I still recall my winning time (how profoundly disturbing is that though?) 1:09.35. This was in D-prepared (back when there were only three "sets" of classes: stock, prepared, modified) in a 1976 Capri versus Grover McNair in his early 60s something Volvo, and I beat him on my last run by I think 0.1x seconds. He and I battled in that class a lot back then, and he usually won...fun times. This is circa 1979, so I guess an older memory than most in the club these days.

Todd Breakey · **Posted:** Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:14 pm

BriceJohnson wrote:

Just to keep this thread alive, my latest leads are:

RDU park and ride #5 (I think there are too many light poles though, but I'll check it out). It's normally closed, excpet for holidays when they need excess capacity. I have a call in there. Its a skinny site with lightpoles, but man, the thought of an autocross 5 minutes from my house is too tempting to ignore. For reference, I would NOT get your hopes up on this one.

I've said it before, this one will never happen. Even if it did, it would be prohibitively expensive. The airport authority is VERY proud of their property. Plus, it is now used as over flow parking for the rental car companies and for training for emergency services. Some days it is full of rentals, others it is full of fire trucks and ambulances.

Just as a curiosity, who do you have a call in to? Karen Reynolds is the property manager for the airport.

Quote:

Fayetteville airport:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Fayettev ... rport+(FAY),+400+Airport+Rd,+Fayetteville,+Cumberland,+North+Carolina+28306&hl=en&ll=34.987078,-78.878939&spn=0.010126,0.022337&sll=35.888268,-78.773282&sspn=0.010013,0.022337&t=h&geocode=FVPrFQIdVUdM-w&hnear=Fayetteville+Regional+Airport+(FAY),+400+Airport+Rd,+Fayetteville,+Cumberland,+North+Carolina+28306&z=16

If anyone knows anything about this airport, please let me know. Specifically, which runways are active right now. Anyone know who to talk to there or am I gonna have to cold call this one? I'm guessing the dark colored one by the terminal is the main active runway, just curious about the other ones running east/west. They look pretty cracked from the satellite image (a good thing in our case). Alternatively, the recangular piece of asphalt looks interesting as well, although in some levels of zoom, there is a plane parked on it, not sure if that is its normal purpose or just an action shot. I can see them potentially letting us access the site from Doc Bennet rd to keep us out of site. Again, the idea exists only in my head so far, but we will see. . .

Both runways are active. I can talk to the FBO General Manager (it is the same company that I work for) and ask him about the pad on the south side of the short runway. It looks pretty small though, maybe 375 feet on the long side. That doesn't sound like enough space to do much.

The other issue is both of these airports have TSA at them. I'm no fan of the TSA but they do have a say in what happens on the airport within the fences. And they can be notoriously difficult to deal with.

Jordan Normark · **Posted:** Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:41 pm

BriceJohnson wrote:

Just to keep this thread alive, my latest leads are:

RDU park and ride #5 (I think there are too many light poles though, but I'll check it out). It's normally closed, excpet for holidays when they need excess capacity. I have a call in there. Its a skinny site with lightpoles, but man, the thought of an autocross 5 minutes from my house is too tempting to ignore. For reference, I would NOT get your hopes up on this one.

Fayeteville airport:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Fayettev ... rport+(FAY),+400+Airport+Rd,+Fayetteville,+Cumberland,+North+Carolina+28306&hl=en&ll=34.987078,-78.878939&spn=0.010126,0.022337&sll=35.888268,-78.773282&sspn=0.010013,0.022337&t=h&geocode=FVPrFQIdVUdM-w&hnear=Fayetteville+Regional+Airport+(FAY),+400+Airport+Rd,+Fayetteville,+Cumberland,+North+Carolina+28306&z=16

If anyone knows anything about this airport, please let me know. Specifically, which runways are active right now. Anyone know who to talk to there or am I gonna have to cold call this one? I'm guessing the dark colored one by the terminal is the main active runway, just curious about the other ones running east/west. They look pretty cracked from the satellite image (a good thing in our case). Alternatively, the recangular piece of asphalt looks interesting as well, although in some levels of zoom, there is a plane parked on it, not sure if that is its normal purpose or just an action shot. I can see them potentially letting us access the site from Doc Bennet rd to keep us out of site. Again, the idea exists only in my head so far, but we will see. . .

Please do continue to post any other leads you can think of. I'm always open to new site ideas. It would be awesome to have a whole season worth of sites at our disposal, and would give us the leverage to potentially push back on price increases or negotiate some of our higher price sites down a bit. I certainly wouldn't complain with a schedule next year of: TNT, Non points: Laurinburg; 3 events at Danville, 2 at Crown, 1 at Piedmont, and 2 at NCCAR, but I'd love to try other things.

I think the best bet is to try to deal with uncontrolled airfields like Wilson Industrial for instance. Fayetteville is Class C airspace and since they handle passenger service the security will probably make it a no go. All counties have airports, but the sleepy towns with old military fields like Wilson Industrial have lots of paved area, like 3 runways with only 1 or 2 active. Is Wilson Industrial still out of the picture? With the economy the way it is they may welcome the additional revenue. I'll be glad to approach them with the your blessing.

Jordan Normark · **Posted:** Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:58 pm

I hope this link works. It is to the aviation sectional chart that you can use to locate airports, both public and private. You can also switch to satellite images. Just poking around I found the closed Halifax (Roanoke Rapids near NCCAR) airfield that is very similar to Sanford.

Does anyone have any connections at Pope AFB or Simmons AAF? Both have acres and acres of concrete.

http://vfrmap.com/?type=vfrc&lat=35.380 ... 32&zoom=10

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:42 pm

Jordan Normark wrote:

All counties have airports, but the sleepy towns with old military fields like Wilson Industrial have lots of paved area, like 3 runways with only 1 or 2 active. Is Wilson Industrial still out of the picture? With the economy the way it is they may welcome the additional revenue. I'll be glad to approach them with the your blessing.

Good luck. My boss is pretty well connected in Wilson and when I inquired about running an event there, he said we'd have better luck asking to run on the White House lawn.

If you know someone there go ahead and ask. I never even got that far.

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

Is Kinston too far away for people? There is plenty of pavement to work with on what looks to be inactive runways. . .

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=kinston+ ... 6&t=h&z=17

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:28 am

BriceJohnson wrote:

Is Kinston too far away for people? There is plenty of pavement to work with on what looks to be inactive runways. . .

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=kinston+ ... 6&t=h&z=17

I'd say that's probably not worth it. Stephen and I went to a NCR event there a few years back, the pavement is in BAD shape, narrow and the security issues were tough (NCR had a member who worked at the GTP).

NCR doesn't even use the site anymore.

Gwen Habenicht · **Posted:** Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:33 am

Bernie and I were there too. Of course the fact that it was raining didn't help, but, in addition to what Ryan said, the powers in charge at the time wanted the entry limited to 80 people, and they wanted security fencing put up between the part the club was using and the rest of the airport. IIRC, the shape of what was usable was kind of like the P at Laurinburg, only grown up so that looking ahead was also an issue. ALL that being said.....no, Kingston isn't too far to go.

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