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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:14 pm 
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Results for both days are up:

http://www.auto-x.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1189

I apparently was clean on Sunday's last run.

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Damn. That means you got me by .02 over two days on Pax. Not quite the floor mopping you promised. But still.

I'm hiring Hunter as your own private cheerleader for Sanford. Outfit, pompoms, the whole shebang. Maybe even see if I can get you flashed while on course.
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Wow, that's really strange...first my fastest time on Saturday goes missing then all of the data Donnie collected for our final runs on Saturday is strangely lost. It's almost as if someone *wanted* that information lost. :shock: OK, just kidding about the loss of data. Unfortunate about the time, but it just means I have to prove it wasn't a fluke at the next event!

Gwen - sorry I missed your runs - sounds like that last one was a doozy. Congrats on eeking out Jeanette!


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Nice video David!

Maybe I'm crazy but there is a trend I've noticed recently in my videos and it seems to show up again in yours. I observed Eric Peterson possibly doing something similar when he was in the first slalom going out on Sunday. I have no idea if this is a factor in actual course times but I find it interesting nonetheless. I haven't closely observed anybody else's driving so I can't comment if this is something that most drivers exhibit but it will be interesting to see if anybody else notices it in their own driving. Even more curious and perhaps much harder to pinpoint is the thought that it may be related to our car's ergonomic layout and less a function of our driving styles.

What is it? LHB, of course! Huh? If you watch carefully, you'll notice that in any videos I've posted and the video that David posted, we seem to exhibit a strong tendency of "Left-hand bias" while driving. You're probably thinking so what? I mean, most of us naturally drive with our left hands freeing our right hands to shift, fiddle with the radio, smack around our passengers, etc. It seems that this tendency crosses over to our approach to heavy left-right/right-left transitions and if you look carefully, you'll notice that we tend to be more forceful when making a hard right transition than making a hard left transition.

As most of us tend to keep our hands in the 10-2 (or 9-3) position, it is natural and logical that we would use the opposite hand to make a hard transition, correct? In the case of a right-hand turn, we generally keep the left hand in the same spot on the wheel while the right hand is used as a guide. It would be a bit unnatural for the right hand to be doing all the work since it would have to cross under the wheel and I know I'm definitely not that flexible. The same but opposite thing happens for left hand turns.

So what's my point? Watch David's video again in the slaloms and you'll notice he is more forceful with the wheel when turning right than turning left. In Eric's case, I obviously don't have in-car video but I noticed the car moved differently during left-hand transitions than it did during right-hand transitions. When I was lined up looking directly down the first slalom, it was obvious that something was going on. It would be interesting to see an in-car video of Eric's driving to see if he is doing something similar to David and I. It's possible that David's and Eric's (well, Karl's) car have a different balance depending on which direction they are turning but I tend to doubt that is a big factor.

Does it mean anything? I have no idea! :lol:

In my case, I've noticed that when the car is moving slowly requiring a huge crank of the steering wheel to change directions, I'm much better going right than I am going left. I can't seem to get my right hand/arm to move quickly and decisively enough to match the pace of my left hand. And, for the record, I am right-handed. I do have a quirk that I swing a bat and golf club left-handed but I think that is more related to the fact that I am left-eye dominant. That's an entirely different discussion...

David and Eric, which "hand" are you guys? I really think the "trend" is more related to the fact that we drive left-hand drive cars but I'd be curious to gather as much data as possible. Has anybody else with in-car video ever noticed this? I tend to think the track guys wouldn't notice this since their inputs aren't usually near as violent as us cone-dodgers.

Another question raised is does this "trend" cross over to others that learned to drive on the opposite side of the car? Do they exhibit a strong RHB?

Thoughts?

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I'm right handed and left eyed as well.

I do know it was handy since I have video of my fourth run where I have to turn the radio down as I enter the lane change after the "Sunday Driver" element. So LHB was helpful I guess?

I'll have to take a closer look at this and other videos to see if it is a trend.

Wish I had video from our first L'burg event since I could see the difference on a slalom that I entered from both left and right sides.

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I can see a difference in the side of the car that I have to remove more cone marks from. :stupid:

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David Spratte wrote:

Damn. That means you got me by .02 over two days on Pax. Not quite the floor mopping you promised. But still.

I'm hiring Hunter as your own private cheerleader for Sanford. Outfit, pompoms, the whole shebang. Maybe even see if I can get you flashed while on course.
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Maybe it was thinking about Hunter that got me to nearly cone out Sunday? ;) - AB

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It is interesting that you talked about you and Bryan holding hands during coursewalks on the drive over to the restaurant. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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It is interesting that you talked about you and Bryan holding hands during coursewalks on the drive over to the restaurant. Not that there's anything wrong with that.


Co-driving mean you're 'close' ;) Ask Eric :) - AB

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Co-driving mean you're 'close' ;) Ask Eric :) - AB


Hey! Do *not* start trying to drag me into this hand holding thing.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Co-driving mean you're 'close' ;) Ask Eric :) - AB


I've heard some of that pillow talk second hand. I remember Buckley explaining how Eric had these commitment issues but really liked some girl. Aaron kept telling Eric to pass her a note in study hall so she'd know his true feelings.

I think Aaron was actually trying the reverse psychology but it back fired. The next thing you know Eric and Chris are married with two kids!


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David Spratte wrote:
... the STi against a plague of S2000s.



Hey! :stick:


Geez, I think there was a Redline and two GXP cars too.


Mini drivers, humpf. :roll:


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That looks like a great course!

As for the discussion about turning, I was a lefty but trained to use my right hand as a kid, so I guess that makes me amphibious? I am left eye dominant too. My car really likes turning left,, but we've figured out that the reason is that my 15 year old suspension is worn out (ya think?). It's not supposed to turn that well to the left :lol:

I'm looking forward to Sanford too! 8)

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Donna Frank wrote:
David Spratte wrote:
... the STi against a plague of S2000s.



Hey! :stick:


Geez, I think there was a Redline and two GXP cars too.


Mini drivers, humpf. :roll:


:lol:



You Solstice drivers show no love towards the Sky people do you?

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We had a great time. :D :D

Everyone I got to watch or talk to drove really well. Most folks seem to like the course, but some mentioned the bus stop was pretty tricky.

I'm never ever satisfied with my own driving though. Gotta keep focused, I left so much out there yesterday. I'm sure there was at least another second in the double box and the sweeper.

I didn't get to watch my AS competitors as much as I would have liked. You know busy getting ready and such. I did get to see some of Eric's runs. It looked like the car was on rails. Working during third heat on course gave me great looks at some of the other stock classes like SS and GS though. It was a super event.

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David Spratte wrote:
Donna Frank wrote:
David Spratte wrote:
... the STi against a plague of S2000s.

Hey! :stick:

Geez, I think there was a Redline and two GXP cars too.

Mini drivers, humpf. :roll:

:lol:



You Solstice drivers show no love towards the Sky people do you?

:lol:


Of course not! :shock:

Just being polite. :angeldevil:

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