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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:54 pm 
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The rules are probably pretty close to the CMC rules. Yes, an under
prepared IT car :-)

But they class lousy for AX :shock: My CMC ready Camaro moves to CP with about 20% of the CP allowances.

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Guys, keep in mind that both Spec E30 and CMC are NASA classes. They were put together with absolutely zero regard to how well the affected cars would class in SCCA *anything*, club racing or autocross. Just a thought.

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jimpastorius wrote:
DanDurusky wrote:
yep.

but i'm now considering stripping the interior to be maximiz the SpecE30/ITS ruleset and running DSP. Then my racecar could really be a racecar :twisted:


You will move to a Prepared class. Only the a Touring class car can move to Street Prepared. And it has to follow the Touring class rule set. Any IT car would default to Prepared.

And the NASA Spec30 and CMC rules are between Touring and IT.


Did I miss a memo (or a fastrack?) AFAIK this is the way it's always been: 100% IT legal = SP legal.

So Jim, I dunno what the CMC rules are, but if your car would be legal for IT, then you can run it in ESP.

From http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/2007SoloRules.pdf

15. STREET PREPARED CATEGORY
Cars running in Street Prepared Category must have been series
produced with normal road touring equipment, capable of being
licensed for normal road use in the United States, and normally sold
and delivered through the manufacturer’s retail sales outlets in the
United States. Cars not specifically listed in Stock or Street
Prepared Category classes in Appendix A must have been produced
in quantities of at least 1000 in a 12 month period to be eligible for
Street Prepared Category.

A vehicle may compete in Street Prepared Category if the
preparation of the vehicle has not exceeded the allowable
modifications of Stock Category, except as specified below.
However, the distinction between different years/models used in
Stock Category does not apply in Street Prepared Category.
Example: Porsche 911 models that are listed on the same line are
considered the same.

Cars listed as eligible in and prepared to the current national
Improved Touring rules are permitted to compete in their respective
Street Prepared classes.
Neither Street Prepared nor Improved
Touring cars are permitted to interchange preparation rules. Improved
Touring cars may use tires which are eligible under current IT rules
even if they are not eligible in Street Prepared.
Cars listed as eligible in and prepared to the current American Sedan
road race rules are permitted to compete in Class B Street Prepared.
Neither Street Prepared nor American Sedan cars are permitted to
interchange preparation rules. American Sedan cars may use tires
which are eligible under current AS rules even if they are not eligible
in Street Prepared.

Cars listed as eligible in and prepared to the current national Touring
category rules are permitted to compete in their respective Street
Prepared classes. Neither Street Prepared nor Touring cars are
permitted to interchange preparation rules. Touring cars may use
tires which are eligible under current Touring rules even if they are
not eligible in Street Prepared.

Cars listed as eligible in and prepared to the current national Street
Touring (ST) class rules are permitted to compete in their respective
Street Prepared classes, with the additional allowance that they may
use any tire which meets the requirements of 15.3 and fits on the
ST-legal wheels and within the ST-legal bodywork.

Cars eligible for the current Spec Miata rules are permitted to
compete in class D Street Prepared, with the additional allowance
84 that they may use any size of any tire which meets the requirements
of 15.3 and fits on the Spec Miata allowed wheels and within the
allowed bodywork. Spec Miata cars in DSP may not intermix use of
the Spec Miata and Street Prepared allowances. The competitor is
responsible for being in possession of the Spec Miata rules and for
proving that his/her car conforms to the rules.

While the rules of the Street Prepared Category have remained
essentially the same, the laws governing various aspects of streetdriven
vehicles have changed over time. The original concept of this
category as made up predominantly of street-driven vehicles has
been rendered inappropriate. The SCCA does not encourage or
condone the breaking of laws governing pollution control systems or
the alteration of street-driven vehicles contrary to state and federal
laws regarding their use. It continues to be the responsibility of the
individual to comply with such state and federal laws.
See Sections 3.8 and 8.3 for documentation requirements.
Specific vehicle classifications are located in Appendix A of these
rules.

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I stand corrected. The only problem for me is the only Camaro listed is the V6 in ITA. Well, it is not really that big of an issue :-)

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Ok, so I changed my mind a week before the begining of the season. We'll be running in STU, Jessica in ladies. Look out course workers, Jessica has never driven anything but civics and I've only driven the M3 once last year. Six runs, two complete off's, and at least five spin-out's.

See you guys this weekend!

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MikeWhitney wrote:

Did I miss a memo (or a fastrack?) AFAIK this is the way it's always been: 100% IT legal = SP legal.


I seem to recall a discussion on sccaforums stating that "100% IT legal" meant that the car needed to have a valid and current logbook.

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i am sure i am in well over my head here, but once the interior is stripped does that not move the car into a "MOD" category? just curious as i am stripping the E36.


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This all makes me wonder where my ITE (and I think ITR) legal RSX-S would fit. We're talking aftermarket brakes, ECU, built to the hilt motor, custom front subframe, aero package, etc. And I do have a current logbook. ;)

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...and what tires?


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Donnie Barnes wrote:
This all makes me wonder where my ITE (and I think ITR) legal RSX-S would fit. We're talking aftermarket brakes, ECU, built to the hilt motor, custom front subframe, aero package, etc. And I do have a current logbook. ;)

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Unless I misread the rules (again), there is no national ITE class. Isn't that just a regional catch-all class?

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Isn't ITR simply a faster version of ITS? If so, a "built to the hilt" motor better mean standard IT prep which is pretty minimal.

ITE doesn't count in the listing because it isn't national (as other pointed out).

Regardless, the RSX would go to CSP in IT prep. Which is faster around an autocross course the RSX or the Spyder?

IT wheel restrictions apply as well (that kills most IT cars in AX).

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steve remchak wrote:
i am sure i am in well over my head here, but once the interior is stripped does that not move the car into a "MOD" category? just curious as i am stripping the E36.


Read what Whitney posted. If you can legal grid up in an IT class, you can run your respective SP class.

Just print it out and take it to Dave.

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Hmm, it's probably not ITR legal, then. Oh well. The plan is to run it in ITE at long enduros and D Production in SCCA Club Racing (it's basically now built to World Challenge rules).

Not that I'd autocross it anyway, but it was fun to think about.


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Rick Butters wrote:
Every year brings changes to in-class competion. It's always fun when it looks like your class is going to be bigger and more competitive than the year before. Last year A Stock was a 3 or 4 person competition with 8 or 9 other drivers showing up occassionally. Here is a possible list of this year's competitors:

Donna Frank, 2007 Solstice GXP
Chuck Frank, 2007 Solstice GXP
Donnie Barnes, 2005 Subaru STi
Tom Osetek, 2002 BMW M Roadster
Mitch Moore, Porsche Boxster
Karl Shultz, 2004 S2000
David Frankel,2002 S2000
Gary Minarcine, 2005 S2000
Rick Butters, 2002 S2000
Brooks Skull 2000 S2000
Dameon Nagel, 2002 BMW Roadster
and at least a couple other Subaru STis
Any Corvette drivers what to join the fun?

Look's like it could be a great year in drive in AS.


Anyone notice from the pre-reg for Sunday that there are 5 Evos signed up? Finally!

Warranty issues or not, I think they are sweet cars. 8)


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Carl Fisher wrote:
And who's in H Stock? Now that everyone knows it's the "automatic PAX victory" class, I'd think it'd be filling up. Who'll be playing?


As best I can tell I will be in H Stock. Tell me more about this "automatic PAX victory"... :wink:


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