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But once you have "mastered" the duck, now you can draw it different ways. Try it with chalk, oils, paint, etc. Every time you learn something else all the while still working from the "duck". That is how I view Track. AX, you had better have your best tools ready from the get go. Because you only have 3 or 4 chances and then on to the "horse".

That is why I like Rockingham, in one session, you could drive many different lines and try a lot of different things for each of the seven turns.

On the flip side, I dislike Laurinburg because we run the same basic course there almost every single time. That is not the concept of AX

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Jim Pastorius
2008 Silverado VortecMax
1992 Camaro CMC#92
2002 BMW R1150R

2009 3rd Place CMC Mid-Atlantic Championship
2009 CMC Hyperfest Winner

Ahhh... you make some good anlogies... so let me try to rebut:

• Is there only one way to draw a duck? A good artist can draw the same duck many different ways. A good artist takes the same subject matter and makes it his/her own. A good artist changes the tone of the duck, simply by altering one or two lines. A good artist finds new ways and pushes himself to keep the duck interesting. A good duck changes the medium in which they draw the duck.
  
• The basketball court you speak of has boundaries, does it not? The best player will be the one who can play his game from anywhere on the court... or who can use every inch of the court to his advantage. But that basketball player won't KNOW if he can hit a shot from anywhere on the court unless he practices each shot from everywhere on the court. Think that basket ball player gets 'bored' within the confines of the court?
  
• If you're talking about a math homework problem... you might have me on that one. BUT... if you look at the bigger picture... it was all about repetition... learning to add, subtract, especially multiply. Repeating the same thing over and over imbed that information in your brain so it becomes second nature. You don't have to think about it to do it, it becomes part of your subconscious. So when asked to learn more complex problems, you don't have to go back and relearn all the basics. (I think I may have gone off on a tangent there, not sure)

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Stacy King
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I think Jim hits on something here...

We're not talking Apples and Apples... so the argument can never be won (not that I'm trying )

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Stacy King
Midlife Crisis Participant

VERY true!!!

At Rockingham, there was a C6 in blue group. There was one session on Sunday that I remember him being behind me for several laps. Every time we would enter the T1/T2 banking I would at a minimum double the distance between us. Am I faster than him? HELL NO! I just have a car that I can get the MAX out of in that turn and also doesnt cost $50K+ to wad up.

I still enjoyed it though

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Well, someone did set up a different course there once.............

I will, heck if you let Randy drive it, anyone else ought to be twice as safe. How does he get tire smoke on dirt.

My first autocross was there and didn't use the P. I didn't know what everybody was bitching at until I drove the P. But the "Miles Loop" is ... repetitive.

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Has no responsibility whatsoever.

Actually you do!! Precious few people out there are doing it for a Sunday drive, you included. When a car is pulling away from you on the straights or in the infield, you can rest assured he's pretty much racing. Or at least trying to go thru the couse at speed. Almost everyone who talks about HPDE talks about passing especially when they pass a higher performance car than their own, just go back through this thread or any other thread that makes reference to what folks are doing out there.



Ryan proves the point he knew the guy was backing off in the Nascar turn for fear of wadding up the new car. So in reality you do have a good idea if they're racing or not

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1997C5,1997Trans Am, 1986 C4,
1990 Miata, 1976 MGB,1997 Protege, 1989 MR2

HPDE is a learning tool. not a race. Jim approaches HPDE as practical seat time in preparation for wheel to wheel. or at least that is what i believe he is doing. otherwise i am sure i would never have got around him on VIR-S

and to the opposite Carl & Mike have in their opinions reached the maximum useful information level on the learning curve in HPDE.

autoX = go hard or go home. however it is still IMHO counter-intuitave to smooth fast driving. but again, i still don't get it. and shagging cones still sucks. i hear competitors don;t do that in "the big time" events.

Oh dude, they SO do. Oh, unless "big time" means Ferrari Club events.

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Carl Fisher

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What!?! Blasphemy! Blasphemy I say!!

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He needs to bump all those down a notch and put rally at the top, though. Not many tire walls on a rally stage.

Since when is smooth not fast on an autox course?

He probably means the Corvette Waxer club "Autocrosses" which consist of a total of 10 cones and they hire staff to pick them up when their drivers knock them down

How well does that pay? I could use some extra cash.

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