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Ummmm, I tend to agree mostly with Aaron that without the timer in AX, it isn't good for me. My butt calibrator is so far off, I think I'm fast and I'm slow, I think I'm slow and I'm .....well.....not as slow Without numbers I'd be lost. HPDE is different, my goal is not time, but to stay alive and not hit hard objects, and not let Miati or Civics pass me.

More runs are always better though, I come out to have fun and driving is fun, not watching or working or..... The problem with fun runs is that by the time we decide to do or not to do them, I will have packed the car, changed tires etc since I don't have a trailer queen that I can just drive up and go.

Just adding a post in the quest for 7 pages.

Did it

whoooo yuuuuuuuuuuu ah callllllinnnng ahhhhhhhhh traaaaylahur ahhh queen?

9 pages baby.

BTW, as it rains like hell and the lightning & thunder abound, a moment for reflection please everyone. rock on.

Ack! Twice the number of worker changes?!? No thanks.

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Mike Whitney
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V10, V8, V8t, I6, I6, V6, F4t, I4, I4, I4, I4, I2, 1, 1

Every other club I've run with that does a split run scenario does it that way. And it runs smoother than ours. BECAUSE ITS LESS CONFUSING THAN A&B GRIDS. Namely,TRIAD, NCR and BRR.

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1997C5,1997Trans Am, 1986 C4,
1990 Miata, 1976 MGB,1997 Protege, 1989 MR2

Things must have changed in the past year. I have never worked twice at any event in the 7 years I have been doing this When I ran with NCR and BRR, we did all runs at once. Only TRIAD and THSCC did the morning/afternoon runs. And with both groups I only work once...thank gawd.

I agree with Mike, worker changes every 30-45 minutes along with grid changes would be chaotic at best.

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Jim Pastorius
2008 Silverado VortecMax
1992 Camaro CMC#92
2002 BMW R1150R

2009 3rd Place CMC Mid-Atlantic Championship
2009 CMC Hyperfest Winner

As I mentioned before we did this at the first event at RBC.... and it sucked... I ended up working 5 run groups 2 annoucning, 1 doing raw times and 2 on course beacuse there were not enough workers in each run group to fully staff the course.

That is one format I would be fimrly against, and it defintaly would not work on a course that has a lot of workers stations like L-Burgh or sometimes Sanford.

AAO or 2 + 2 really doesn't matter to me, I am going to leave when I am done working or runnin which ever is first.

Personally if we are going to do the AAO format I say we do it run 1 work 2 run 2 work 1 then run 3 work 4 and run 4 work 3 in the afternoon, Have a sceduled break in the middle where people can show up around noon and register and walk the course, and all the people who ran in the morning can pack up and go home. Rotate which who is in the groups each event.

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David Teague
2015 Lexus IS 250c
1994 Honda Del Sol HS 39
2009 Dodge Journey R/T
http://teaguefamily.us

Triad has changed for this year. You will work at a station with three other sausages twice.

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Things have changed Jim now NCR stops between runs and switches out workers, I guess that must have been new this year. But it is what it is. If you run with them this year you'll work twice.

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2004 C5(415whp,390ft/lbs),
1997C5,1997Trans Am, 1986 C4,
1990 Miata, 1976 MGB,1997 Protege, 1989 MR2

At the NCAC we did 5 worker changes each day with minimal interuption because no one worked/ran back to back. I'd much rather work 2 30 minute shifts than 1 60 minute one after spending the previous 60 minutes in grid when it's 90+ degrees out especially if I can sit down, get a drink, get out of the sun on each side of running and working. You work twice on Sat at prosolos. Afternoon you already know your station so you just wave to the worker chief as you go by.
With 120 competitors you have 30 workers each shift, with 150 you have 37. With 8 core workers per shift leaves 22-29 to work course that's 11+ stations with 2 each. How many courses do we run that require 11 worker stations?

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Hold on there cowboy. To paraphrase, this is a local club and not the SCCA. At a SCCA ProSolo, you do not have 25-30% of the competitors as novices. The more worker changes at a local event, the more confusion and chaos.

Quite frankly, the Pro format (as opposed to AAO or split) is probably the worse format for a local event. I would suggest that you step up and be an event chair. Then you are free to use the Pro format.

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Jim Pastorius
2008 Silverado VortecMax
1992 Camaro CMC#92
2002 BMW R1150R

2009 3rd Place CMC Mid-Atlantic Championship
2009 CMC Hyperfest Winner

The Pro format isn't *so* bad, except for the cases (which is most events, unfortunately) where worker changes are done on the fly. Then it is *really* f'ed up for new people to learn. What's really annoying is when you have some region member who hasn't done any Pros as the worker coordinator! That's happened. Talk about messed up.

The nice part about the Pro format is the highly organized and relatively small grid. That makes it very easy to look and see if you are getting close to your shift or not (assuming you either remember who runs before you work -or- you still have your sheet handed out with the run/work order...I keep mine in my pocket for the entire weekend for this purpose and so when I'm working course I can look at it to see how far along I am through my own assignment).

The nature of the Pro grid doesn't really help with a "normal" autocross type grid, though. In the Pro grid, cars are funneled through in a line. Since they take all their runs fairly quickly, that works. But when you're going through a grid multiple times, it's hard to tell by *looking* at the grid (especially if you've been catching a nap or whatever) which run everyone is on. Maybe we need a big sign with an A and a B on it and changeable numbers from 1 to 2 to 3 etc. Put it at the "head" of grid (which changes from event to event which end it is) and let the grid person rotate the number as he moves to that end again. Then people have another visual cue to use. (Yes, I know we have an announcer for a reason, but you can't always hear them in paddock. I've also had cases at Sanford and Laurinburg where my paddock spot was far enough away from the bus that I couldn't get a decent FM signal from the transmitter.)

Probably more trouble than it's worth, but it's an idea.


--Donnie

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edit: I realized that this might be taken wrong. I agree such a wheel is a good idea, but let me tell you from first hand experience, such a wheel does not have much support, even if you volunteer to build it yourself. . .

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Thanks, Brice. I would have never realized that if you hadn't pointed it out. Well, other than my "probably more trouble than it's worth" comment. It's called throwing out an idea that may spark something else.

Now go back to taking Wes' bait on the F1 thread.

Oh, and I did just remember that TH is now using the horn. Probably the best idea yet, really. I doubt we'll do much better than that. Early/late workers are just going to be human nature from there.


--Donnie