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I agree with Mike, however, I'll also add that we could always add more classes if there was demand for them.

Let me clarify...

If there are 30 people coming to our events in Mini Coopers, all running street tires, we could add a Mini Cooper challenge for those folks. However, for that to happen, a significant number of those folks would have to approach the OFFICERS and ask. At that point, they would decide if it was worth doing or not.

the key is, it's the officers that make the decision (not the THSCC Forums).What you may find, is that in the forums, there is only one person who participates in the proposed class, and they might get outvoted.

It's most important for the participants in their respective class to speak up, and they need to do it via direct communications with the AX staff.

The argument we are currently having is rather academic, and mostly just a diversion, since it has little or no bearing on the actual future of tire class.

Scott

In light of what you have said Scott, are the OFFICERS going to address this, or is this a MEMBERSHIP voting item? - AB

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'14 Toyota Sequoia Platinum 4WD
Super Westerfield Bros - '93 Integra - LeChump Du Jour
STX 93 - Scion FR-S

I have read little to none of this thread as I won't be the one deciding and never plan to run TIR...but, either way it doesn't sound like you will have an answer til the X-mas party at the earliest because if the Officers decide, it will be next years administration. My vote is to go with Wes' suggestion and throw it on the ballot.

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Stephen Westerfield
2009 Infiniti M35 | 2007 Honda Fit Sport | 2005 Ford Mustang GT |2000 GMC Sierra |1992 Acura Integra LS | Super Westerfield Bros Acura Integra

You'd have to ask the current officers.

autocross@thscc.com
president@thscc.com

My opinion is that it's not something that really needs to be on the ballot. If someone really has a strong enough opinion on getting rid of tire class, then I'd suggest that person get on the ballot, not the proposal.

Scott

Sorry Scott, this year's administration won't be deciding on that. It will be 2007's administrations job to decide on that.

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Stephen Westerfield
2009 Infiniti M35 | 2007 Honda Fit Sport | 2005 Ford Mustang GT |2000 GMC Sierra |1992 Acura Integra LS | Super Westerfield Bros Acura Integra

Scott:

I am going to disagree with you. With all due respect I think the decision has to be made by either the Officers of the club, based on their own view of what is best for the club. This is regardless of whether they poll the membership as a decision factor, or just do it because they have the experience and wisdom to know the right decision. (Trustee form of government)

or

They vote as officers based on mostly the results of the polls and the view of the members. (Government based on representatives of their constituents who may be too ill-informed or stupid to know better)

or

They vote on it based by who pays them off the most (US form of government )

Because someone feels strongly about any issue, be it tire class, ST Class, or whatever, that does not mean that to change it they have to run for office. They should be able to bring it up and if it truly merits further discussion or voting or approval then the officers can decide how to handle it. If all they care about is their one issue, then when they become an officer and settle it, they may not care about other issues.

On a side note, I think Richard Casto is officer material

It is the members option too. A few years back, the proposal to eliminate TIR for the upcoming season was narrowly defeated at a club meeting. If I remeber right, it was brought up for discussion and then following meeting it was voted on. Yea, I made the motion

All 20 some pages is simple rehash. What is surprising is the change in attitude of people that supported TIR a couple of years back.

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Jim Pastorius
2008 Silverado VortecMax
1992 Camaro CMC#92
2002 BMW R1150R

2009 3rd Place CMC Mid-Atlantic Championship
2009 CMC Hyperfest Winner

And therin lies the answer to the question.

Outgoing officers don't want to "shaft" an incoming administration with unpopular decisions, and the incoming folks will be stuck with the status quo because people start prepping for the new year as soon as the one is finished.

If I were a betting man, I'd bet that Tire is here to stay for quite some time.

That said, I still think it's important to give feedback to the officers, and hopefully they will tell the incoming staff what they need to know.

Scott

I would suggest, if someone has the "balls", to bring it up for discussion at the next meeting and then follow up with a vote. If the members decide to keep it or eliminate it, then it is not an unpopular decision.

And no one is prepping their car for the upcoming TIR class season, are they?

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Jim Pastorius
2008 Silverado VortecMax
1992 Camaro CMC#92
2002 BMW R1150R

2009 3rd Place CMC Mid-Atlantic Championship
2009 CMC Hyperfest Winner

if by "prepping for it", you mean doing nothing, then yes, I am "prepping" to run TIR, I don't have the Koni's and Falken's on order though, no. . .

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2012 MX-5 Sport SUV

I vote we stay with the history of dictatorial powers granted to officers and let the new slate of officers hand down the decision to the hoi-poloi next January

My vote is that we eliminate TIR classes. I just think there are enough ST classes to accomodate everyone. Actually the best move would be to run only S, SP, P and MOD classes.
1.) It would simplify matters, and create larger classes (especially P and MOD )
2.) We could get away from all the Bullsh*t regarding tires, cheater tires, R-comps, etc. And since I'm up right now...
Shift into
Look. Life ain't fair. You wanna compete? Fine. Bring a knife to a gun-fight, be prepared to get shot. I don't feel we need to coddle those who feel "left out" because they can't afford to buy competitive tires. Or suspension. Or because they can't drive well enough to be recognized. The reality is, some of the folks in our club will beat you driving a soup-can because they can DRIVE!!... and some folks never learn to drive worth a sh*t. That's just the way it is.

Everyone who has gained recognition in this club has spent their time wandering in the wilderness, getting their ass kicked by better drivers. Eventually, those who take the sport seriously commit the time and resources necessary to consistently finish near the top. It's like anything else. Golf, tennis, bass fishing or nuclear physics... everything requires a commitment. And, (SURPRISE!!!!) $MONEY$.

The foregoing nothwithstanding, we can all have a great time doing this stuff! Not everyone gets in up to their neck, and few can afford the best equipment. But, come Sunday morning, we all saddle up and give it our best shot. Some win, most lose. But the hell if it ain't one of the best ways to spend a few bucks on entertainment.

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Brad

With enough classes, we can fix that problem!

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In need of car.

OK, let's not get carried away here. We recognize the SCCA classes and a few others, what's the big deal?

You soooo don't want me buying R-comps and running CSP next season Mr. Mackey! Besides, where would Ryan and Vincent go?

Seriously, this is all silly IMO. Don't you people work? Geesh!

Jim
- who would vote to *keep* TIR class if there was a demand (which there seems to be)

Mr. Feinberg, it would be an honor to be in the same class as you.
You're definitely one of the "soup-can" guys

And, yeah, you're right. We probably need to get to work. Both of us

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Brad