NCAC Club Championship

Jason Mauldin · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:57 pm

Keith Vail wrote:

scottjohnson wrote:

IMHO, Matt McGrain has an easy lock on DS. We need Shawn in another class, like DSP, maybe even in Stephen's car

Brett is running a fairly new set of Hoosier A6's on his Type R so he will be one to watch out for as well in DS.

Which Type R is that? The yellow one with the JDM front end? He is a pretty good driver.

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:03 pm

Les Davis wrote:

Chuck Branscomb wrote:

I've had discussions, classroom like, with her about how a tire works (three components of grip: deformation/mechanical keying, adhesion, ablation), what the tractive force versus slip angle curve looks like for street tires versus r-compounds, etc. Having her develop some understanding of how the tire responds near the limit on paper I think has really helped her on-course learning curve.

I nominate Chuck to teach a class to the rest of us on all that stuff. I'd sign up.

LOL, hey I learned a lot from a book Paul Haney wrote about tires: The Racing & High-Performance Tire (http://www.insideracingtechnology.com/). It's amazing how poorly this subject has been treated over so many years in formal engineering circles. It is an extremely complicated topic at the engineering level with precise modeling essentially non-existent. This is probably one of the last areas left in mechanical engineering that replies so much on empirical knowledge.

Paul does 1-day seminars for a reasonable fee where he goes into even more detail than the book on his latest knowledge. For anyone with a reasonable technical background, his book is definitely worthwhile.

...speaking of which...I communicated with Paul earlier this year about him doing a seminar locally. He did one in Charlotte that was attended by the Formula SAE team from UNCC and also some local race groups. I talked to him about doing one for the NC State SAE team plus as many local racers/engineers as we could get. I wonder how many would pay ~$75 for such a one-day event? I'd be willing to sponsor the NC State group.

Chuck

Keith Vail · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:11 pm

Jason Mauldin wrote:

Keith Vail wrote:

scottjohnson wrote:

IMHO, Matt McGrain has an easy lock on DS. We need Shawn in another class, like DSP, maybe even in Stephen's car

Brett is running a fairly new set of Hoosier A6's on his Type R so he will be one to watch out for as well in DS.

Which Type R is that? The yellow one with the JDM front end? He is a pretty good driver.

Yeah Brett drives the Yellow R with the JDM nose.

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:18 pm

Keith Vail wrote:

Jason Mauldin wrote:

Keith Vail wrote:

scottjohnson wrote:

IMHO, Matt McGrain has an easy lock on DS. We need Shawn in another class, like DSP, maybe even in Stephen's car

Brett is running a fairly new set of Hoosier A6's on his Type R so he will be one to watch out for as well in DS.

Which Type R is that? The yellow one with the JDM front end? He is a pretty good driver.

Yeah Brett drives the Yellow R with the JDM nose.

Is that DS legal?

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:29 pm

Stephen Westerfield wrote:

Keith Vail wrote:

Jason Mauldin wrote:

Keith Vail wrote:

scottjohnson wrote:

IMHO, Matt McGrain has an easy lock on DS. We need Shawn in another class, like DSP, maybe even in Stephen's car

Brett is running a fairly new set of Hoosier A6's on his Type R so he will be one to watch out for as well in DS.

Which Type R is that? The yellow one with the JDM front end? He is a pretty good driver.

Yeah Brett drives the Yellow R with the JDM nose.

Is that DS legal?

In Japan.

Michael Westerfield · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:30 pm

Stephen Westerfield wrote:

Keith Vail wrote:

Jason Mauldin wrote:

Keith Vail wrote:

scottjohnson wrote:

IMHO, Matt McGrain has an easy lock on DS. We need Shawn in another class, like DSP, maybe even in Stephen's car

Brett is running a fairly new set of Hoosier A6's on his Type R so he will be one to watch out for as well in DS.

Which Type R is that? The yellow one with the JDM front end? He is a pretty good driver.

Yeah Brett drives the Yellow R with the JDM nose.

Is that DS legal?

Doubt it... almost no one has done the mod seen here. Without it that is a pretty big weight reduction for a stock car. Would it really be stock legal even if you had done this mod? There is quite a bit of modification done there.

MikeWhitney · **Joined:** Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:15 pm **Posts:** 4724

Michael Westerfield wrote:

Stephen Westerfield wrote:

Keith Vail wrote:

Jason Mauldin wrote:

Keith Vail wrote:

scottjohnson wrote:

IMHO, Matt McGrain has an easy lock on DS. We need Shawn in another class, like DSP, maybe even in Stephen's car

Brett is running a fairly new set of Hoosier A6's on his Type R so he will be one to watch out for as well in DS.

Which Type R is that? The yellow one with the JDM front end? He is a pretty good driver.

Yeah Brett drives the Yellow R with the JDM nose.

Is that DS legal?

Doubt it... almost no one has done the mod seen here. Without it that is a pretty big weight reduction for a stock car. Would it really be stock legal even if you had done this mod? There is quite a bit of modification done there.

Well this makes things simple. If Brett wins just protest his ass outa there. Hey, it's the state championship, right? Let's start using the rulebook.

THSCCers! Make sure you are 100% squeaky clean to the rules. With this club cup going on, you can bet that a lot of people are going to be scrutinizing a lot of the winning cars. I know I will.

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:37 pm

It also seems that since the club cup involves points for FTPAX and FTD, not to mention points from the other classes, it's only reasonable to think that anyone can protest anyone else (instead of just someone in your own class).

Not that I'm an advocate of everyone protesting at random, but everyone at the event is agreeing to use the SCCA rules, so it's only reasonable to expect that that they will follow them.

This applies to winners and non-winners. 2nd place gets club cup points too.

Edit#2: Brett did run DS last year with the JDM front end, and I didn't think anything of it at all.

Scott

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:39 pm

Speaking of protests...

Due to the ultra competative nature of this event. I guess we should have more formal plans in place regarding handling formal protests?

MikeWhitney · **Joined:** Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:15 pm **Posts:** 4724

Richard Casto wrote:

Speaking of protests...

Due to the ultra competative nature of this event. I guess we should have more formal plans in place regarding handling formal protests?

I guess it depends on how much we sweep the 'Cup by

If we're within a few cars of taking it, we better make damn sure that we have fewer illegal cars than they do at the top spots

Cause the protests are gonna fly!

I completely expect the other clubs to do the same. If we're squeaking by I expect a lot of scrutinizing eyeballs, cross-class.

Brad Mackey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:07 pm

Hey, I have my radio out of the dash for repair

Reading the Stock and SP rules, I can't seem to find anything other than the "comfort and convenience" rule. But that adresses "adding" stuff. Anybody know if it's OK to have this hole in the dash for SP?

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:12 pm

Brad Mackey wrote:

Hey, I have my radio out of the dash for repair

Reading the Stock and SP rules, I can't seem to find anything other than the "comfort and convenience" rule. But that adresses "adding" stuff. Anybody know if it's OK to have this hole in the dash for SP?

Brad....we can find a radio for you to fit in that hole.....

Wes Eargle · **Joined:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:47 am **Posts:** 3683

Brad Mackey wrote:

Hey, I have my radio out of the dash for repair

Reading the Stock and SP rules, I can't seem to find anything other than the "comfort and convenience" rule. But that adresses "adding" stuff. Anybody know if it's OK to have this hole in the dash for SP?

The Club Sport package was "radio delete" as well as "soft top delete". Cover the hole with either a spare piece of thin metal or plastic (damn shame that the original Mazda MCS piece shattered on you) and call it good.

http://www.miata.net/news/originaleditions.html

Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:31 pm

scottjohnson wrote:

Edit#2: Brett did run DS last year with the JDM front end, and I didn't think anything of it at all.

Scott

Likewise. I didn't think anything of it at all except that it looked rad. Personally, I'd never protest b/c of a JDM front because I don't think it's a big deal.

On a side note, my '97 is bone stock right down to the shocks :oops:

and the original brake pads. I'm just waiting for someone to talk some sense into me and convince me that those blingy adjustable Koni thing-a-ma-jigs with make the aaaRRRRR fastaR!

Lastly, we're in for a helluva battle in DS and it's going to be great! We've got a few R's, a bimmer, and a WRX. All we need is an IS 300 to play.

Brad Mackey · **Posted:** Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:39 pm

Wes Eargle wrote:

Brad Mackey wrote:

Hey, I have my radio out of the dash for repair

Reading the Stock and SP rules, I can't seem to find anything other than the "comfort and convenience" rule. But that adresses "adding" stuff. Anybody know if it's OK to have this hole in the dash for SP?

The Club Sport package was "radio delete" as well as "soft top delete". Cover the hole with either a spare piece of thin metal or plastic (damn shame that the original Mazda MCS piece shattered on you) and call it good.

http://www.miata.net/news/originaleditions.html

Yeah, right... That's what it was

Thanks for the heads-up, Wes. You are carrying the spirit of competition to new highs, helping out a direct competitor an' all.
Not that I'm gonna be in contention or nuthin', but I want to be 100% legal. I'll see if that blanking plate's up in the attic

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