Season Points standings

Graham Jagger · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:53 am **Posts:** 1718

Ryan Holton wrote:

Lets approach this from a different angle and revisit what we learned last year with the year long novice class.

-With a year long novice class, some aspiring Novice WILL buy a set of R-comps. After he waxes the field of street tired vehicles, others will join him.

-Novices who start running 1/2 way thru the year can do a couple of things
-Screw up points races amongst Novices who started at teh first event
-Get disenfranchised by the R-comp running Novices
-Novices who cant/dont want to afford R-comps are in the same boat again

Or you run it like we have now...

Pick your poison...

I disagree.

PJ gave Rob a good fight for 1st. And between Dan, Colin, Lucas, Cosby and Bernie 3rd could have gone anywhere. Some of it was decided simply by number of events.

We had discussed not allowing YLN to use R-comps. But it didn't get implemented. That would have alleviated the issue of the enterprising Novice showing up on Hoosiers/Victoracers.

Any person who joins this club mid-season is not likely to take a top spot in any class for season awards. So a NOV moving to Open after 1-4 events is no different. Many of us used TIR as a place to go after NOV with the notion that it was a good place, me included. I should have just gone to AS right away. I got talked into starting AS my 2nd year for the very same reason most of these arguments want to end TIR. It dilutes the abundance of existing classes. And that was when there were 2 STx classes. There are now at least 4 STxx classes if I remember right. And I started in AS with a stock C4 on street tires, that I drove on everyday. The most fun I had was chasing Miles in his C4 trying to cut down the time difference between us.

Just a different perspective...

Graham

Keith Quistorff · **Posted:** Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:31 am

Graham Jagger wrote:

PJ gave Rob a good fight for 1st.

True, but PJ ran w/STX PAX index. If PJ was on a competitive set of ST* tires (I assume he was but don't know for sure), he and Rob would have been on level ground.

This brings up another 'issue' with Novice class - the folks who run in Novice w/a car prepped for an ST* class have a significant advantage over the bulk of other Novices (the novices running under an open class PAX on street tires).

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:06 am

Updated points will be posted soon. Just remember to audit your own results.

Telling the VP's that there is a problem the day after the Christmas party is about 2 months too late.

Just so you know, I've decided to do the points my own way this year. Instead of dropping the worst two events, I'm going to do it like the olympics and drop the best and worst event.

Also, much like the judges in the olympics, I can be bought

If there is interest, I can also post the Top Gun and Dishman Cup breakdown.

Scott

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:33 am

scottjohnson wrote:

Just so you know, I've decided to do the points my own way this year. Instead of dropping the worst two events, I'm going to do it like the olympics and drop the best and worst event.

Assuming your serious...

To be fair, shouldn't any changes in how we do season points happen next year prior to the start of the season vs. the end of this year after most of the season is over? Should there be some discuss as to why the existing "drop two" rule exists? Are we loosing anything by moving toward an Olympics approach? What is broke that we are trying to fix?

PS: Just to be clear, I don't think this is going to affect my position in the end of year points either way. Just playing devils advocate here.

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:48 am

Richard Casto wrote:

scottjohnson wrote:

Just so you know, I've decided to do the points my own way this year. Instead of dropping the worst two events, I'm going to do it like the olympics and drop the best and worst event.

Assuming your serious...

And why would you assume that?... :lol:

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:54 am

Stephen Westerfield wrote:

And why would you assume that?... :lol:

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:24 am

scottjohnson wrote:

Stephen Westerfield wrote:

And why would you assume that?... :lol:

Ok, ok, its a joke. Guilty as charged of taking the bait. :oops:

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

scottjohnson wrote:

If there is interest, I can also post the Top Gun and Dishman Cup breakdown.

Scott

I'd be interested in seeing that. :wink:

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:38 pm

Les Davis wrote:

scottjohnson wrote:

If there is interest, I can also post the Top Gun and Dishman Cup breakdown.

Scott

I'd be interested in seeing that. :wink:

Synopsis:

Dishman Cup: Patrice by a landslide

Top Gun: Could go to Spratte, C. Fisher, E. Peterson or Scott Johnson

Carl Fisher · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:40 pm

scottjohnson wrote:

Top Gun: Could go to Spratte, C. Fisher, E. Peterson or Scott Johnson

Won't be me. I've only run 3 events so far this year, and I may only run 1 more. I've been enjoying my "season off"!

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:17 pm

Carl Fisher wrote:

scottjohnson wrote:

Top Gun: Could go to Spratte, C. Fisher, E. Peterson or Scott Johnson

Won't be me. I've only run 3 events so far this year, and I may only run 1 more. I've been enjoying my "season off"!

Hmm, I thought you'd run 4 events. Definately won't be you if you've only run 3 events. As for a season off? It sounds pretty good to me right now!

Scott

David Spratte · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:20 pm

Great. So I have a shot at the Top Gun Participation Award?

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:54 pm

David Spratte wrote:

Great. So I have a shot at the Top Gun Participation Award?

Hey, if you *do* win it it's because you got more Top PAX finishes this year than anyone else. Would that make you feel better?

We've seen a lot more parity in the PAX standings since we don't just give first place to the ST drivers before the event begins.

Scott

David Spratte · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:08 pm

scottjohnson wrote:

David Spratte wrote:

Great. So I have a shot at the Top Gun Participation Award?

Hey, if you *do* win it it's because you got more Top PAX finishes this year than anyone else. Would that make you feel better?

We've seen a lot more parity in the PAX standings since we don't just give first place to the ST drivers before the event begins.

Scott

Don't get me wrong, I won't kick it to the curb if I win it. :lol:

Either way, I'm looking forward to October. It took me most of a season, but I think me and the car have come to an understanding.

Watch. I'll put shocks and an exhaust on the car in the off-season and start all over again next year.

ChuckNelson · **Posted:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:42 pm

Jeb Brookshire wrote:

I think too that having a year end novice award, would be a nice carrot and encourage other novices to stick with it and compete for something with people at thier same level before getting thrown into thier respective open classes.

I am building an "I actually managed to trash a motor in an autocross" trophy. I call it, My Garage.

I decided that the next time I compete, if I ever finish rebuilding, it will just be in the cars class(DM), rather than NOV. There is no direct competiton for the car in NOV and I will only have to get one set of magnets made(Or maybe I will just paint them on!)

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