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MikeWhitney · **Joined:** Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:15 pm **Posts:** 4724

DanDurusky wrote:

i hate to be that guy, but...

*caughresults*

I think several people are getting antsy about results mainly because the PAX list never got printed at the event, due to the printer running out of ink! Heck, I'm really curious how I did in the PAX. I'm wondering how many of those soft-pax econoboxes managed to beat me

Damn HS Minis

But no worries Carl, enjoy your anniversary!!!! But if we don't see results by the end of the week we're going to dock your pay!

Kevin Butler · **Posted:** Tue May 23, 2006 12:18 pm

Wow, I knew E Stock had tightened up, but didn't realise how much. First and second are top 10 Pax, third and fourth are top 20 Pax. Nice drivin' guys!

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Tue May 23, 2006 12:20 pm

Did anyone have any success running the tight turn-around on the taxiway *both* directions?

I was entering on the left for my morning runs, but switched to the right in the afternoon. I got marginally faster (0.5 seconds) in the afternoon, but the car was handling much better in the afternoon.

In hindsight, I think it might have been faster to stick to the left side entry once I fixed the excessively loose handling.

Comments?

Michael Westerfield · **Posted:** Tue May 23, 2006 12:26 pm

scottjohnson wrote:

Did anyone have any success running the tight turn-around on the taxiway *both* directions?

I was entering on the left for my morning runs, but switched to the right in the afternoon. I got marginally faster (0.5 seconds) in the afternoon, but the car was handling much better in the afternoon.

In hindsight, I think it might have been faster to stick to the left side entry once I fixed the excessively loose handling.

Comments?

I thought I was moving pretty good going to the left, so I stuck with that all day. The back-end would step out a little after going past the last slalom cone, heading toward the breaking zone. However, after the turn around it felt really fast to basically have that last slalom cone eliminated (1st one after the turn-around)

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

I went right every time, never even really considered going left. With a Miata that is notorious for locking the outside right, straight braking zones win. I still managed to lock it good on one run and therfore blow the turn around a little. Going right required lots of patience on exit of the turnaround before getting back on the gas.

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Tue May 23, 2006 1:45 pm

Les Davis wrote:

Going right required lots of patience on exit of the turnaround before getting back on the gas.

Not with a 107 whp :shock:

Keith Quistorff · **Posted:** Tue May 23, 2006 1:49 pm

scottjohnson wrote:

Did anyone have any success running the tight turn-around on the taxiway *both* directions?

I was entering on the left for my morning runs, but switched to the right in the afternoon. I got marginally faster (0.5 seconds) in the afternoon, but the car was handling much better in the afternoon.

In hindsight, I think it might have been faster to stick to the left side entry once I fixed the excessively loose handling.

Comments?

I tried both ways also, left-to-right in the morning and right-to-left in the afternoon. None of my runs were particularly fast, but my afternoon runs were about a second faster than morning, and I believe the turnaround direction had something to do with that.

I expected the left-to-right direction to be faster, since the exiting speed would carry into a fast section (sweeper), but it turned out I had to brake to make the 4-cone slalom between the turnaround and sweeper, so the exit speed difference wasn't a factor. I switched to the opposite direction in the afternoon mainly because I had to try something different to attempt to significantly improve my lap times, and I also prefer going through turnarounds in the right-to-left direction (because I can see the turnaround cone the whole time and get really close to it).

Dustin Fredrickson · **Posted:** Tue May 23, 2006 1:51 pm

scottjohnson wrote:

Did anyone have any success running the tight turn-around on the taxiway *both* directions?

I was entering on the left for my morning runs, but switched to the right in the afternoon. I got marginally faster (0.5 seconds) in the afternoon, but the car was handling much better in the afternoon.

In hindsight, I think it might have been faster to stick to the left side entry once I fixed the excessively loose handling.

Comments?

I worked the station at the first turnaround in heat 2. A very low percentage of those entering left "hit the mark" whereas a much larger percentage from the right DID. I do recall a Prelude pulling off a clean left entry though. Personally, I liked the simplicity of the right entry and stuck to that all day. Fewer things to put together at once leaves me less to screw up.

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Tue May 23, 2006 2:05 pm

Dustin Fredrickson wrote:

I worked the station at the first turnaround in heat 2. A very low percentage of those entering left "hit the mark" whereas a much larger percentage from the right DID. I do recall a Prelude pulling off a clean left entry though. Personally, I liked the simplicity of the right entry and stuck to that all day. Fewer things to put together at once leaves me less to screw up.

I tried left in the morning. With the Camaro and driver out of sync, I had to go to the right in the afternoon. I think entering left would be faster, but as Dustin says, you had to nail that entrance perfectly. Otherwise, the outside cone came into play on exit.

Carl Fisher · **Posted:** Tue May 23, 2006 2:08 pm

Keith Quistorff wrote:

I expected the left-to-right direction to be faster, since the exiting speed would carry into a fast section (sweeper), but it turned out I had to brake to make the 4-cone slalom between the turnaround and sweeper, so the exit speed difference wasn't a factor.

Did anyone else notice that that slalom was increasing on the way in to the turnaround, but decreasing on the way out? That's a big reason why I didn't see an advantage to having a faster exit from the turnaround, because I wouldn't be able to use it. Entering the turnaround on the right let me take the slalom at full throttle in both directions.

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Tue May 23, 2006 2:23 pm

Carl Fisher wrote:

Did anyone else notice that that slalom was increasing on the way in to the turnaround, but decreasing on the way out? That's a big reason why I didn't see an advantage to having a faster exit from the turnaround, because I wouldn't be able to use it. Entering the turnaround on the right let me take the slalom at full throttle in both directions.

Are you sure? I walked that slalom no less than 6 times on Saturday night...it was intended to be evenly paced.

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

Yeah, I think it paced out to an even 23 of my paces.

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Tue May 23, 2006 2:27 pm

Carl Fisher wrote:

Did anyone else notice that that slalom was increasing on the way in to the turnaround, but decreasing on the way out? That's a big reason why I didn't see an advantage to having a faster exit from the turnaround, because I wouldn't be able to use it. Entering the turnaround on the right let me take the slalom at full throttle in both directions.

I thought the same thing about the pacing of slalom. But I felt that gave you a plenty of time to set for the second gate and carry speed out of there. But I could not maintain any speed in the sweeper. So it did not matter much. So it was easier to go right in the afternoon and forget about it all.

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Tue May 23, 2006 2:29 pm

I did the turn around right to left. With low HP and a tendency to have snap overstear when slowing significantly in anything but a straight light I felt the left to right was risky entry for me. Also, as I exited on the left side (again, low HP), I was pretty much flat as I entered the slalom for the second time. I also was able to carry enough speed out of the slalom that I had to slow for the sweeper. So regardless of how I entered the slalom the second time, I felt my entry/exit speed was going to be nearly the same.

Also on the entry to the turn around, I felt that if I went left to right, I would have to slow twice (once to go around the last slalom cone and a second time for the turn around). While if I entered on the right, I could carry as much speed as I could and only slow once. I can brake (-g) much better than I can accelerate (+g). So remaining at speed as much as I can is important to me.

I had push problems in...

* The sweeper (had to let off gas and/or unwind the wheel to keep from pushing toward the outside)
* The exit of the chicago box (had slowed going in and was accelerating on the way out, but still kept getting the exit cone when I felt I shouldn't)
* The second turn around. I could not get on the power at all without pushing out to the outside.

These were places that I felt I wanted to carry more speed than I was able to. Overall, I could not get any traction on the front if trying to apply any power at all. Don't know if that was related to the shock issue or not.

jeremy gast · **Posted:** Tue May 23, 2006 2:38 pm

i talked with one of the subby guys about it during the third heat and then decided to try the left entry and not down shift, it actually felt better doing that and letting the supercharger pull it back up to speed.

I really really liked the course other than the moving cones when i was driving it :oops:

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