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Wow - I wish I could feel a 2psi difference! It takes about a 5-10psi difference for me to be able to feel the car doing something differently, depending on the tire.

Could it be I'm just an AWD hack?

You should be able to tell with the STi with the mojo torque you have. I *thought* I could tell when I played with it on the 070s by raising the rears by 2 psi.

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A 1-2 psi change in the rear tires of the Talon made a big difference when I was driving it. I used to be an AWD hack too ya know.

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Vincent Keene
'06 Ford Mustang GT (track rat)
'15 Dodge Charger R/T (yeah, it's got a HEMI!)
'07 Ford Fusion SE (205,000 miles and counting)
'98 Chevy Z-24 (retired)
'93 Acura Integra (Team SWB 24HOL Car)

It appears you all had different amounts of hack dialed in.

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2012 Boss 302
2003 BMW 330i

With the RE070's on the RS or the WRX I had to change the pressure by about 10psi to tell a difference. Haven't played with them at an autox on the STi, but just driving around I can't feel a difference between 25psi and 40psi. I actually got a puncture in one when I first got the STi - kinda thought it looked a little low (just barely looked different than the others) - when I checked it, the needle didn't move at all. Zero pressure. RE070's pretty much have the stiffest sidewall of any street tire, for those without experience with them. Compared to my Azenis RT615's it's like driving around on solid rubber tires with no air inside.

Neither can I. I thought we were talking about during AX runs?

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Vincent Keene
'06 Ford Mustang GT (track rat)
'15 Dodge Charger R/T (yeah, it's got a HEMI!)
'07 Ford Fusion SE (205,000 miles and counting)
'98 Chevy Z-24 (retired)
'93 Acura Integra (Team SWB 24HOL Car)

Absolutely, this is the main important point. I think we actually agree. I will merely observe, however, that the majority of NOVs are not entered for the TnT, but for the Novice School; I'd kind of expect that a NOV who took the trouble to enter in TnT would know that it was what its name implies, with no novice support.


No reason that I see that those two are mutually exclusive.



Do they need to be cut and dry? The main requirement I see is familiarity with the club and the operation of an event. Having enough knowledge and ability to benefit from a TnT is certainly not required (should there be a technical written test before accepting an entry?), as long as no-one gets in the way of those who do. It's theoretically possible for someone to have been autocrossing for ten years with San Francisco SCCA to turn up to the TnT and have no idea how Tarheel runs things, while someone who's run just one Tarheel event may have just "got it" right away.

I must admit I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here. As for my actual position, I'm agreeing on the main point, but see some room for flexiblity. If the guy running NOV knows his way around an event and can be self-reliant, then I see no reason he shouldn't run. Some people get that in one event, for others it takes a season.

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Martyn Wheeler
AXing Kit's '05 Mazda 3, #29 HStock
(when The Gonzo Symphonic allows)

I thought this thread was about if Novices were going to be allowed to run or not. Maybe this guy that has signed up would like a chance to make different plans if he's not going to be allowed to run.

Hasn't the no novices at a Test & Tune been a standing rule for as long as time?

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it was invoked on me last season. hence the sour grapes comment. i didn't really want to go anyway.

I know it was! It's only fair that we extend the courtesy to our current non-novices.

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Okay on a serious note, there are several issues that come into play with Novices at a T&T.

1) Historically, there has been limited space at T&T's, so we tried to offer that space to experienced folks first.

2) As a general rule, novices should be paired with a non-novice while working the course. If there's fewer people, we may only have one person per station.

3) The novice may not receive the normal amount of attention that they would at a novice school / autocross.

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I certainly can tell a big difference with the TA with 1-2 psi. Same with the 3rd gen TA I autocrossed back in the 80's. Kit says the Mazda 3 is sensitive to small changes too, especially at the rear.

But that's both on street tyres. Supposedly the Hoosiers I'll be on this year aren't very sensitive to it -- I'm figuring to "set and forget" for at least the first few events.

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Martyn Wheeler
AXing Kit's '05 Mazda 3, #29 HStock
(when The Gonzo Symphonic allows)

Vincent - I know what the discussion was, I was just making a separate observation about the "just driving around" thing. But I think my day-to-day "just driving around" would probably be a little more intense than a typical novice's autox run.

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Is that THE Martyn Wheeler? It has to be.

Martyn, what happened to ripping it up on two wheels???


--Donnie

Um. I hate to be called "THE" anything, but yeah, that's me. Still on two wheels, but I haven't ridden on the track in a while now. These days I'm strafing twisties on a Softail Standard and having a blast with it.

I figured you had to be THE Donnie. Knew you were into Spec Miata, finding you were in Tarheel was kind of a surprise. Guess it shouldn't have been.

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Martyn Wheeler
AXing Kit's '05 Mazda 3, #29 HStock
(when The Gonzo Symphonic allows)