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Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:40 pm

Highlights of stock class changes (Scott and Sally go back to GS!)

http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/0 ... strack.pdf

STOCK CATEGORY
- Per the SAC, the following previously published class change proposals, effective 1/1/2006, are being recommended to the BOD:
- Audi TT (225hp, dual intercoolers) from BS to DS.
- Audi TT 3.2 V6 from BS to DS.
- BMW 330 with ZHP, all from BS to DS.
- Ford Mustang Cobra ('03 - '04) to F Stock
- Audi S4 V8 (04+) from AS to FS
- BMW M5 ('00-'03) from AS to FS
- Cadillac CTS-V from AS to FS
- Mercedes E55 AMG from AS to FS
- Toyota Celica GTS ('00+) from DS to GS
- Volkswagen Golf/Jetta/GLI 24V VR6 ('02+) from DS to GS
- Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V from DS to GS
- Acura RSX (Non-'S') from GS to HS
- Acura TSX from GS to HS
- Honda Civic Si ('02+) from GS to HS
- Hyundai Tiburon 6-cyl ('02+) from GS to HS
- Pontiac Vibe from GS to HS
- Saturn DOHC models from GS to HS
- Toyota Matrix (all) from GS to HS
- Civic Si ('99-'00) from GS to HS
- Mazda 3 (all) from GS to HS
- Nissan 200SX SE-R ('95+) from GS to HS

- Per the SAC, the following previouslypublished class change proposals have been withdrawn:

- Camaro SS from AS to FS
- Firebird WS6 from AS to FS
- Mazda Mazdaspeed Protege from DS to GS
- Mazda MX-6 (all) from GS to HS
- Toyota Celica GT ('94-98) from GS to HS
- Toyota Celica ST ('94-98) from GS to HS
- Ford Probe (all) from GS to HS
- Porsche GT3 to Stock exclusion list
- 2005+ Mini S from GS to DS

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:06 pm

scottjohnson wrote:

- Per the SAC, the following previouslypublished class change proposals have been withdrawn:

- Camaro SS from AS to FS
- Firebird WS6 from AS to FS

Whew

Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:51 pm

scottjohnson wrote:

- 2005+ Mini S from GS to DS

It's about time. :twisted:

Plus, I never understood how the RSX-S and non-S were in the same class either.

Rick Butters · **Posted:** Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:29 pm

Matt said

Quote:

scottjohnson wrote:
- 2005+ Mini S from GS to DS

It's about time.

Read what Scott really said again Matt, he said the proposal to move Mini S from GS to DS has been withdrawn.[/quote]

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:27 pm

At least I don't have to beat Charlie and Matt anymore! Those two are going way to fast. They were making me spend money to win (it's all about fresh tires...)

Scott

Brian Herring · **Posted:** Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:41 pm

Quote:

- The following class change proposal, previously published
in the July Fastracks, has been recommended to the BOD:
Move the following cars from ESP to BSP: Mitsubishi Lancer
Evo 8, Subaru WRX Sti.

Quote:

TECH BULLETINS
1. Stock: The following new listing, effective
immediately upon publication, is
added:
Mini, Cooper S (John Cooper "Works"
package) ('06+) BS

- dow

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:05 pm

Quote:

- The following class change proposal, previously published
in the July Fastracks, has been recommended to the BOD:
Move the following cars from ESP to BSP: Mitsubishi Lancer
Evo 8, Subaru WRX Sti.

Ahhh, but take a lookee at the boost proposals. Now you get to up the boost. The STI and EVO should have more power to play in BSP. I think THSCC could be fun with Rob Harvey getting to play with the AWD guys.

Quote:

TECH BULLETINS
1. Stock: The following new listing, effective
immediately upon publication, is
added:
Mini, Cooper S (John Cooper "Works"
package) ('06+) BS

Glad I didn't order one!

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:23 pm

scottjohnson wrote:

- Saturn DOHC models from GS to HS

I cant figure this one out. They move the Saturn but leave the Cavalier/Sunfire. Hell most would say the Saturn is BETTER.

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:58 pm

Ryan Holton wrote:

scottjohnson wrote:

- Saturn DOHC models from GS to HS

I cant figure this one out. They move the Saturn but leave the Cavalier/Sunfire. Hell most would say the Saturn is BETTER.

Explain to me how they ended up moving the RSX non-Type S to HS but left all of the other non-ITR Integra's behind in GS. None of them hold a candle to the Mini S. Take a look at the Triad results from last weekend, Per was kicking ass and taking names. They moved the 200SX SE-R to HS and I would take a 3rd gen GS-R over that any day. Why do they only do partial house cleanings like that?

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:57 am

For reclassing like this, cars get moved for one reason and one reason only.

Member requests.

People (SCCA Members) wrote letters to the SEB and asked for the cars to be moved. Evidently no one was asking for the Integras, Cavaliers/Sunbirds to be moved.

I'm inclined to agree that all those cars should go to HS. The Integras are the only one's I'm not so sure about. On paper, the GSR is a pretty good match for a Celica GTS.

Scott

Brian Herring · **Posted:** Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:25 am

scottjohnson wrote:

Quote:

- The following class change proposal, previously published
in the July Fastracks, has been recommended to the BOD:
Move the following cars from ESP to BSP: Mitsubishi Lancer
Evo 8, Subaru WRX Sti.

Ahhh, but take a lookee at the boost proposals. Now you get to up the boost. The STI and EVO should have more power to play in BSP. I think THSCC could be fun with Rob Harvey getting to play with the AWD guys.

Oh, so you think it takes ECU allowable changes to affect boost.... interesting. I think some STU THSCC AWD/Hackers will surprise you in 07, if not earlier... who knows...

[/cryptic]

- dow

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:39 am

Brian Herring wrote:

scottjohnson wrote:

Quote:

- The following class change proposal, previously published
in the July Fastracks, has been recommended to the BOD:
Move the following cars from ESP to BSP: Mitsubishi Lancer
Evo 8, Subaru WRX Sti.

Ahhh, but take a lookee at the boost proposals. Now you get to up the boost. The STI and EVO should have more power to play in BSP. I think THSCC could be fun with Rob Harvey getting to play with the AWD guys.

Oh, so you think it takes ECU allowable changes to affect boost.... interesting. I think some STU THSCC AWD/Hackers will surprise you in 07, if not earlier... who knows...

[/cryptic]

- dow

[sarcasm]
Ohhhh dear, let me guess, you figured out that removing all the restrictions in the exhaust gave you more boost (creep). Damn, you are a genius.

Can we get you to start working on a cure for cancer next? :roll:

Your not the first turbo car in the club.... [/sarcasm]

Brian Herring · **Posted:** Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:45 am

Ryan Holton wrote:

Brian Herring wrote:

scottjohnson wrote:

Quote:

- The following class change proposal, previously published
in the July Fastracks, has been recommended to the BOD:
Move the following cars from ESP to BSP: Mitsubishi Lancer
Evo 8, Subaru WRX Sti.

Ahhh, but take a lookee at the boost proposals. Now you get to up the boost. The STI and EVO should have more power to play in BSP. I think THSCC could be fun with Rob Harvey getting to play with the AWD guys.

Oh, so you think it takes ECU allowable changes to affect boost.... interesting. I think some STU THSCC AWD/Hackers will surprise you in 07, if not earlier... who knows...

[/cryptic]

- dow

[sarcasm]
Ohhhh dear, let me guess, you figured out that removing all the restrictions in the exhaust gave you more boost (creep). Damn, you are a genius.

Can we get you to start working on a cure for cancer next? :roll:

Your not the first turbo car in the club.... [/sarcasm]

No, I didnt figure anything out... like all hacks, I copied stuff that was already there

Cancer... not my field... besides, would you want a hack working on cancer?

No... the ruling to move the AWD turbo cars to BSP with 'allowable' boost mods via ECU makes me wonder if there is soon going to be an exclusion for the AWD turbo cars in the ST* class. We are not allowed to remove *all* exhaust restrictions due to needing a terminating cat, and we can only run 245 Steet Tires (traction limit), but I still see it as an ESP car in STU clothing.

I am just interested to see how it will play out. It's a new scenario for me to ponder, and thank you for taking that post correctly

Ryan for President!

- dow

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:55 am

Brian Herring wrote:

No, I didnt figure anything out... like all hacks, I copied stuff that was already there

Cancer... not my field... besides, would you want a hack working on cancer?

No... the ruling to move the AWD turbo cars to BSP with 'allowable' boost mods via ECU makes me wonder if there is soon going to be an exclusion for the AWD cars in the ST* class. We are not allowed to remove *all* exhaust restrictions due to needing a terminating cat, and we can only run 245 Steet Tires (traction limit), but I still see it as an ESP car in STU clothing.

I am just interested to see how it will play out. It's a new scenario for me to ponder, and thank you for taking that post correctly

Ryan for President!

- dow

I knew where you were going and all the powers that be know what happens when up open up the exhaust of a turbo car be it stock, ST* or other.

The can of worms is open and I dont think they realize some of the ramifications.

I kinda wish I still had my AWD DSM. Unlimited boost would put me at a power level somewhere equal to a STi/EVO (stock form).

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:09 am

Brian Herring wrote:

Oh, so you think it takes ECU allowable changes to affect boost.... interesting. I think some STU THSCC AWD/Hackers will surprise you in 07, if not earlier... who knows...

- dow

Actually I never said that. I guess AWD hacks are about as talented as we give them credit for. :twisted:

I was actually starting to come around to the concept that it might not be all car, then I get some sense slapped back into me. Thanks for the wake up call.

Scott

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