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 Post subject: Novice Questions: What defines a NOV to THSCC?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:28 pm 
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With all the NOV discussion, I thought I would just ask what makes a NOV to THSCC.

The reason I am mainly asking this is for this particular scenario:

- Person 2 years ago races with THSCC in NOV. He wins the Rocky Mount event.

- Person does not attend another autoX in that two year period and sells his car to Kevin Allen.

- The indivdual NOW has a car to autoX with again, but

#1. Is he still a NOV? If no, why NO? Other NOVs THIS season have MULTIPLE wins and are still NOVs.
#2. If he is a NOV, and starts this LATE in the season, is he a NOV this year and next? What is the NOV date cutoff? (I think it should be such a date where someone new cannot make 5 or more autoxes for season standings or has no mathematical way to finish first -- whichever is possible).
#3. If you race an OPEN class race (so you aren't 'wasting' your NOV season), are you excluded from NOV the following season?

These things are not life and death, but since I know someone who personally falls under these rules, I would just like to know for my own personal edification. This will answer a lot of the questions that I know I will be facing 'late' in the season by new NOVs as a NOVICE MENTOR.

Any useful banter (if not already jaded with this subject) is greatly appreciated.

Please keep tangetical conversations to a minimum as I need my question answered so I can be a well informed THSCC Novice Mentor.

Thanks for your time!

- Brian


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:32 pm 
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He is still a novice in my book. But should run open class. He learned that when he received the trophy.

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Wes Eargle wrote:
He is still a novice in my book. But should run open class. He learned that when he received the trophy.


That is a VERY good and very valid point. I am sure that he will run open class.

However, this is a multi-layered question that will encompass a lot of people, and not just past NOV champs.

It's the honors system, but if someone is dominating NOV by 3 seconds per event and would be winning in their own class, do they get a free NOV ride?

Ah.. the contraversy continues.

By the way, I am FOR the year round NOV class.

- brian


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:00 pm 
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There are no past NOV champs, this is the first year of a year long novice program.

I didn't post this in the ginormous other thread, but I don't believe that I would have run a paxed novice class. I won my first event as a novice, got a fancy trophy (still on my wall btw) and got my butt kicked at my next rain event with a GS pax in street tire open.

I decided that I'd have a better time in STS, and set a marker of someone that I'd like to be as fast or faster than. Turns out that this was a guy with a couple of years experience in Richard Casto. I learned more by knowing what I had to beat from an experienced competitor in a similarly prepped car than doing PAX math in my head from one guy to another.

I wouldn't have run NOV even if that would have been an option.

YMMV.

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[rant]

We (the officers and staff) spend a lot of time doing things. One of those things is rules writing. Those rules are posted on the website.

Here is a relevant link:
http://www.thscc.com/autocross/info/rules.html#classes

Is there something ambiguous here?

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PS: This is NOT a discussion about how people like this rule, it's about the existence of the rule. Please don't make this harder than it needs to be.


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I also found this one:

http://www.thscc.com/autocross/info/classcat.html


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What is the definition of "1 year of autocross experience"? Is that a calendar year, 8 events according to THSCC schedule, 14 events according to VMSC schedule... :) :) :)

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scottjohnson wrote:
[rant]

We (the officers and staff) spend a lot of time doing things. One of those things is rules writing. Those rules are posted on the website.

Here is a relevant link:
http://www.thscc.com/autocross/info/rules.html#classes

Is there something ambiguous here?

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PS: This is NOT a discussion about how people like this rule, it's about the existence of the rule. Please don't make this harder than it needs to be.



Fair enough.

Thanks Scott.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:02 pm 
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What is the definition of "1 year of autocross experience"? Is that a calendar year, 8 events according to THSCC schedule, 14 events according to VMSC schedule...


A year is defined as 365 days, 5 hours, 49 minutes and 12 seconds.

Duh... :lol:


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Also, by that definition he's over the limit (remember it's determined by elapsed time, not by number of events).


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A year is defined as 365 days, 5 hours, 49 minutes and 12 seconds.

Now is that actual track time? In other words, since I've only done the Laurinburg event at the beginning of the year, do I have ~45 minutes of my year completed? Or do I have 2 days since it was a 2 day event (although day 1 was a school)? :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:00 pm 
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This is why rules changes are so much fun. We really need to recruit an attorney to crawl through our rules and help us make them absolutely unreadable, though air-tight.

While we're at it, can we add a WOA (Worn Out Autocrossers) class for next year? Entrants must have, or look like they have, at least 15 years of autocross experience.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:31 pm 
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If I bring my old silver metalflake helmit will that get me entry into WOA class. BTW my car has a non feedback carb and no Oxy sensor. :D

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