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With all the NOV discussion, I thought I would just ask what makes a NOV to THSCC.

The reason I am mainly asking this is for this particular scenario:

- Person 2 years ago races with THSCC in NOV. He wins the Rocky Mount event.

- Person does not attend another autoX in that two year period and sells his car to Kevin Allen.

- The indivdual NOW has a car to autoX with again, but

#1. Is he still a NOV? If no, why NO? Other NOVs THIS season have MULTIPLE wins and are still NOVs.
#2. If he is a NOV, and starts this LATE in the season, is he a NOV this year and next? What is the NOV date cutoff? (I think it should be such a date where someone new cannot make 5 or more autoxes for season standings or has no mathematical way to finish first -- whichever is possible).
#3. If you race an OPEN class race (so you aren't 'wasting' your NOV season), are you excluded from NOV the following season?

These things are not life and death, but since I know someone who personally falls under these rules, I would just like to know for my own personal edification. This will answer a lot of the questions that I know I will be facing 'late' in the season by new NOVs as a NOVICE MENTOR.

Any useful banter (if not already jaded with this subject) is greatly appreciated.

Please keep tangetical conversations to a minimum as I need my question answered so I can be a well informed THSCC Novice Mentor.

Thanks for your time!

- Brian

He is still a novice in my book. But should run open class. He learned that when he received the trophy.

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That is a VERY good and very valid point. I am sure that he will run open class.

However, this is a multi-layered question that will encompass a lot of people, and not just past NOV champs.

It's the honors system, but if someone is dominating NOV by 3 seconds per event and would be winning in their own class, do they get a free NOV ride?

Ah.. the contraversy continues.

By the way, I am FOR the year round NOV class.

- brian

There are no past NOV champs, this is the first year of a year long novice program.

I didn't post this in the ginormous other thread, but I don't believe that I would have run a paxed novice class. I won my first event as a novice, got a fancy trophy (still on my wall btw) and got my butt kicked at my next rain event with a GS pax in street tire open.

I decided that I'd have a better time in STS, and set a marker of someone that I'd like to be as fast or faster than. Turns out that this was a guy with a couple of years experience in Richard Casto. I learned more by knowing what I had to beat from an experienced competitor in a similarly prepped car than doing PAX math in my head from one guy to another.

I wouldn't have run NOV even if that would have been an option.

YMMV.

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We (the officers and staff) spend a lot of time doing things. One of those things is rules writing. Those rules are posted on the website.

Here is a relevant link:
http://www.thscc.com/autocross/info/rules.html#classes

Is there something ambiguous here?

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Scott

PS: This is NOT a discussion about how people like this rule, it's about the existence of the rule. Please don't make this harder than it needs to be.

I also found this one:

http://www.thscc.com/autocross/info/classcat.html

What is the definition of "1 year of autocross experience"? Is that a calendar year, 8 events according to THSCC schedule, 14 events according to VMSC schedule...

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Fair enough.

Thanks Scott.

- brian

A year is defined as 365 days, 5 hours, 49 minutes and 12 seconds.

Duh...

Also, by that definition he's over the limit (remember it's determined by elapsed time, not by number of events).

Now is that actual track time? In other words, since I've only done the Laurinburg event at the beginning of the year, do I have ~45 minutes of my year completed? Or do I have 2 days since it was a 2 day event (although day 1 was a school)?

This is why rules changes are so much fun. We really need to recruit an attorney to crawl through our rules and help us make them absolutely unreadable, though air-tight.

While we're at it, can we add a WOA (Worn Out Autocrossers) class for next year? Entrants must have, or look like they have, at least 15 years of autocross experience.

If I bring my old silver metalflake helmit will that get me entry into WOA class. BTW my car has a non feedback carb and no Oxy sensor.

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