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While we may not being dealing with the greenest of the green, I think we are getting as close as possible.

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Rich
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one more and i gotta go. TIR class. i don't know the history, don't know the rules. however couldn't this be structured as an intermediate nov program? carry points from nov thus not suffer penalty for moving midseason. i am sure however, Rcompounds would not be acceptable, but again i don't know what TIR is.

I saw evidence of fingers typing furiously at me last year when I said that I considered TIR to be a JV class ...

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Ding! Ding! Ding! Give the man a prize. None of the competitors in the YLN class are complaining. Sounds like they are pleased with the format to me.

This thread has gotten so long, so tell me...what was the problem again?

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Vincent Keene
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'07 Ford Fusion SE (205,000 miles and counting)
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Nope we are not making room with the current format in novice. Pretty much we are kicking sand in their face. And this is how the thread got started...some one wanted to play in the novice sandbox and was surprised by the level of toys and experience you needed to play.

My question is, why not make room in the sandbox by moving into TIR? If you want to invest in r-comps, why not make room by moving into an open class?

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Jim Pastorius
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2002 BMW R1150R

2009 3rd Place CMC Mid-Atlantic Championship
2009 CMC Hyperfest Winner

Hey, this thread just took an interesting turn...

How about we have a NOV class, then a NOV2 class, where all the NOV winners & runners-up go to compete against each other? Not TIR class, obviously, since some of the guys are on R tires. This gives the "lesser" novices a chance to potentially not get beat up on all year, and gives them something to aspire to in the NOV2 class. And in NOV2 class, those guys can beat up on each other without having to hear the experienced autoxers bitch & moan.

I would also propose no season points for novices, mostly because it wouldn't work so well with the new format.

Do I have a second?

Ok, Ok, so it’s time for yet another NOV to weigh in. This string is so long I can no longer give credit to who said what. But here goes. As Bernie said, I see nothing wrong with the year long format…it’s what we newbees know. It is what it is! A great opportunity to learn the ropes, meet new people and get involved. I for one have not stopped screaming “yahoo” since my first run at novice school last March! I’ve met other gals (and guys) who also have fallen in love with the sport, and a few who aren’t so impressed. The latter will probably drop out, but not because of the format…oh well.

I gave some thought to going to “Ladies” mid year, but why? In Novice I’m scratching to get into PJ or Rob’s rear view mirror. In Ladies, Tonya, Malia, Amy, Sonya and Stacy can hand me my butt! I could even go to HS! Yea, right, Mary, are you scared yet? I’m still an average of 6.5 seconds raw time away from her exhaust! My point is, it really doesn’t matter what class I’m in. I read all the times because I want to set my goal toward catching those I see to be faster. I want to learn, and have found I learn more than I can absorb every time I run. At the events I’ve had great instruction. I’ve ridden with instructors, they’ve ridden with me, and I’ve had them drive me in my car. Something can be learned each way. I agree that it’s good having an instructor that drives the same car, so I was thrilled to have Mary teach me at Chick School. But, it’s equally good having an instructor who drives another car ‘cause they see things from a different prospective. So, thanks Donna, for instructing me at the novice school and for the course walks at events. I got Vincent to ride with me and I rode with him in Laurinburg. Could there be a more different car than a Mini? Still, I learned a lot. I’ve tried to walk the course with as many people as I can. If I can’t find the person I want to walk with, I just slide up behind someone who’s advising someone else. It all helps. I got great help from Randy whose concept of “invisible cones” made perfect sense to me. (That may be why I hit the same pivot cone in the box @ Triad 4 times a couple of weeks ago, but that’s another story!)

As for the club members being friendly, I can’t say enough good things. We were taken under wing by Gordon and Cathy before we even got to the meeting room at Golden Corral our first night. I don’t think I’ve ever been asked so many times if I’m having fun. Those who know me know I haven’t stopped smiling since I started driving!

All in all, this has been a great Novice year for me. Winning would be great, but I’ll get there in time. I’m happy to be in single digits and didn’t mind the 6th place behind Bernie’s 4th in Laurinburg. THSCC, keep up the good work!

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Gwen,

GREAT first post. Welcome to the forum and don't let this thread scare you away!



As much fun as it would be to see this thread goto 100 pages, I am wondering what we are talking about as well.

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Richard Casto
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Money can't buy happiness, but somehow it's more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than a Kia.

Man, all you 'old guys' have such a short memory:

Welcome to page 1!!!one11!

Runs for cover!!

- brian

More stats:

2003 THSCC Season:

101 Novices entered at least 1 event.
27 Novices entered 3 or more events.

2003 had some good novices that year:

Graham Jagger
Dustin and Malia Fredrickson
The Amazing Westerfields
Marcus McRae
Mitch Moore

among others....

I will crunch 2004 tonight.

Is there any stat that you would like to see? I dont wanna be accused of spinning the numbers to support either arguement.

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2004 had 98 new novices. 13 ran three or more events that year.

IMHO, I am going to propose that we let this thread die on it's own. I am not saying it is going to be locked by moderators or anything. I just don't know if there is much left to be said. Or if there is more to be said, then it could maybe be between concerned members and club officers?

I really view this thread (not the novice rules this year) as a big train wreck that happened in front of the entire forum membership. The excitement is over, the dust has cleared and we are all just standing around looking at each other.

For those that agree, I would say "don't post and feed the monster". If you disagree, have at it (but remain civil).

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Richard Casto
1972 Porsche 914
2013 Honda Fit Sport
2015 Honda Fit EX
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Money can't buy happiness, but somehow it's more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than a Kia.

Richard, i can't quit just yet. i don't believe i have swayed enough votes my way yet. NOV1 & NOV2 classes gets my vote.

point is will nov run all season next year again or will it fade away? can we get a referendum? maybe a bond issue? i do have some advertising budget available.

some things i thought about today on my endless travels across wake county should be mentioned i feel.

first when someone registers @ the bus is there some handout we could give them if they choose to register in nov? sort of a primer to direct them to the nov meeting, explain our nov class rules, tell them they are going to get spanked like a redheaded stepchild etc.

secondly, and i beleive this was mentioned many pages back, what can our website do to enlighten these new kids to our shifting sands?

new members are key to any groups survival. maybe the word is not getting out to our target audience. BTW, what is our taget audience?

The person who started that thread on honda-tech upon further review probably had more money in that car then just about anybody in the class, he has also had ran 2 auto-x events previously, and had also recently done 2 track events. Someone with a 405 hp civic should not be complaining about the level of toys needed to play in the novice class....

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David Teague
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2009 Dodge Journey R/T
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i plan to run tire next season. i will need a clarification on the regs however. DSP with street tires is where i think i will be.

i spoke with the man running away with TIR this season, Bill, at greenville. shared a worker station. he told me he had been autoXing for many years but that he hoped to make this his first full season and get a season championship. last time i looked he was well on his way to that result. all i can say Jim, and it isn't a good reason, is i like where i am this season. frustrating as it has been, i appreciate the attention payed to novices such as myself. the dude in the soopah honduh has cast an odd shadow over a relatively simple concept. spotlight potential new members and facilitate their learning curve.