Danville 7/17 - great event!

MikeWhitney · **Joined:** Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:15 pm **Posts:** 4724

jimpastorius wrote:

By going CW, I was covering the same extra distance under acceleration. With only 114 hp and a passenger on every run... I have to really reduce distance.

Interesting to look at it that way. I have always looked at it more in terms of speed covering distance, not accel vs. decel.

Here's how I looked at it: I could cross the taxiway at speed (50 MPH?) to go CCW or while accelerating (25->40 MPH?) after CW. More speed covering the same distance is always less time. Of course there were other trade-offs, but I considered this the biggest effect.

That make sense?

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

I guess the loooong straights are why the HS Mini and the ~120 whp 2.5RS ended up at the top of the pax indexed list.

(and yes, I know pax is meaningless - but compare the raw times of the STis vs. the 2.5RS... and 6th fastest isn't so bad) Or maybe it's the car control skills we've learned by rallycrossing? (hint hint) :wink:

Thanks everybody for all the compliments - I love hearing from the critics, whether it's good or bad... prefer good, of course. It was an extremely busy weekend for me, but it was one of the most fun I've had with you guys! :thumbsup:

Thanks to all the people who helped with setup, teardown, timing, working, gave me rides, whatever. You guys rule!

Brian Herring · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:41 am

Kevin Allen wrote:

I guess the loooong straights are why the HS Mini and the ~120 whp 2.5RS ended up at the top of the pax indexed list.

(and yes, I know pax is meaningless - but compare the raw times of the STis vs. the 2.5RS... and 6th fastest isn't so bad) Or maybe it's the car control skills we've learned by rallycrossing? (hint hint) :wink:

Thanks everybody for all the compliments - I love hearing from the critics, whether it's good or bad... prefer good, of course. It was an extremely busy weekend for me, but it was one of the most fun I've had with you guys! :thumbsup:

Thanks to all the people who helped with setup, teardown, timing, working, gave me rides, whatever. You guys rule!

Thank the lord there wasnt a single Miata in the Top 10.

It is about time.

[/flame]

- brian

Carl Fisher · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:57 am

jimpastorius wrote:

I was pretty surprised people even considered going CCW. Yes, you could carry a little more speed into it. But you had to brake even earlier to account for that extra speed. So you are covering more distance under braking.

By going CW, I was covering the same extra distance under acceleration. With only 114 hp and a passenger on every run... I have to really reduce distance.

Hmm. Seems to me that the distance travelled is about the same either direction. But:

going CCW I could enter it a lot faster (brakes >> engine for changing velocity)
the right side (entry for those going CCW) was slightly further away due to crossing the taxiway, so the "longer leg" of the trip is being taken at the highest speed
coming out of the turnaround on the inside, with the weenie Mini motor I didn't have to brake to make the right onto the sweeper- I'd imagine even low HP cars had to lift or touch brakes to make the CW entry
the speed gathered coming back into the sweeper carried me out right to the perfect setup spot for entry into the "alley of cones", allowing me to slip right through without lifting or adjusting my line.

Just my view on it.

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:15 pm

I have no idea what was correct. CW or CCW. I tend to agree with Carl and Mike. I mainly didn't do the CCW because I felt the exit was tighter that way. Going CW allowed me room to screw up if I got on the gas ealier than I should and pushed out some (no cones to hit).

Carl, doing the CW entry, I did have to slightly lift to get the car settled and pointed in the right direction so I could brake for the pivot.

I was so unsure of what was right, that I was going to time people (entry/exit using the double gate as reference). I gave up because even those who only did the CW method were highly variable in their times (no way to compare CW and CCW times) I was seeing fast times of high 12 seconds and bad times of 15+ seconds. I was pretty amazed on how much time people lost in that one section if they didn't do it right. Mostly it was because I felt a lot of people coasted on the entry and/or lifted in places they shouldn't.

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:19 pm

Brian Herring wrote:

Kevin Allen wrote:

I guess the loooong straights are why the HS Mini and the ~120 whp 2.5RS ended up at the top of the pax indexed list.

(and yes, I know pax is meaningless - but compare the raw times of the STis vs. the 2.5RS... and 6th fastest isn't so bad) Or maybe it's the car control skills we've learned by rallycrossing? (hint hint) :wink:

Thanks everybody for all the compliments - I love hearing from the critics, whether it's good or bad... prefer good, of course. It was an extremely busy weekend for me, but it was one of the most fun I've had with you guys! :thumbsup:

Thanks to all the people who helped with setup, teardown, timing, working, gave me rides, whatever. You guys rule!

Thank the lord there wasnt a single Miata in the Top 10.

It is about time.

[/flame]

- brian

Except Les Davis....

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:22 pm

Stephen Westerfield wrote:

Brian Herring wrote:

Kevin Allen wrote:

I guess the loooong straights are why the HS Mini and the ~120 whp 2.5RS ended up at the top of the pax indexed list.

(and yes, I know pax is meaningless - but compare the raw times of the STis vs. the 2.5RS... and 6th fastest isn't so bad) Or maybe it's the car control skills we've learned by rallycrossing? (hint hint) :wink:

Thanks everybody for all the compliments - I love hearing from the critics, whether it's good or bad... prefer good, of course. It was an extremely busy weekend for me, but it was one of the most fun I've had with you guys! :thumbsup:

Thanks to all the people who helped with setup, teardown, timing, working, gave me rides, whatever. You guys rule!

Thank the lord there wasnt a single Miata in the Top 10.

It is about time.

[/flame]

- brian

Except Les Davis....

The Hack-mister Herring was talking about PAX I'm sure.

Rich Anderson · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:23 pm

Kevin Allen wrote:

2.5RS ended up at the top of the pax indexed list.
Or maybe it's the car control skills we've learned by rallycrossing?

What does car control have to do with an AWD car?

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

Brian Herring wrote:

Kevin Allen wrote:

I guess the loooong straights are why the HS Mini and the ~120 whp 2.5RS ended up at the top of the pax indexed list.

(and yes, I know pax is meaningless - but compare the raw times of the STis vs. the 2.5RS... and 6th fastest isn't so bad) Or maybe it's the car control skills we've learned by rallycrossing? (hint hint) :wink:

Thanks everybody for all the compliments - I love hearing from the critics, whether it's good or bad... prefer good, of course. It was an extremely busy weekend for me, but it was one of the most fun I've had with you guys! :thumbsup:

Thanks to all the people who helped with setup, teardown, timing, working, gave me rides, whatever. You guys rule!

Thank the lord there wasnt a single Miata in the Top 10.

It is about time.

[/flame]

- brian

Depends on which "Top 10" you are referring to... :wink:

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

Vincent Keene wrote:

Stephen Westerfield wrote:

Brian Herring wrote:

Kevin Allen wrote:

I guess the loooong straights are why the HS Mini and the ~120 whp 2.5RS ended up at the top of the pax indexed list.

(and yes, I know pax is meaningless - but compare the raw times of the STis vs. the 2.5RS... and 6th fastest isn't so bad) Or maybe it's the car control skills we've learned by rallycrossing? (hint hint) :wink:

Thanks everybody for all the compliments - I love hearing from the critics, whether it's good or bad... prefer good, of course. It was an extremely busy weekend for me, but it was one of the most fun I've had with you guys! :thumbsup:

Thanks to all the people who helped with setup, teardown, timing, working, gave me rides, whatever. You guys rule!

Thank the lord there wasnt a single Miata in the Top 10.

It is about time.

[/flame]

- brian

Except Les Davis....

The Hack-mister Herring was talking about PAX I'm sure.

PAX, who cares?!? :wink:

Just kidding, I'd love to finish Top Ten PAX with an SSM PAX, because that would probably mean I also got FTD that day.

I'm not holding my breath...

Marcus and Brian were driving the heck out of those STIs, its kinda embarrassing that with my big fat sticky V710s I could only manage a couple tenths faster than the street tired STIs. I don't even have a power dissadvantage anymore to use as an excuse.

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

Quote:

What does car control have to do with an AWD car? [B&B]Huh-huh-huh[/B&B]

I haven't seen any AWD Dodge Neons lately.

Rallycross does not equal AWD. :roll:

Rich Anderson · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:07 pm

Kevin Allen wrote:

Quote:

What does car control have to do with an AWD car? [B&B]Huh-huh-huh[/B&B]

I haven't seen any AWD Dodge Neons lately.

Rallycross does not equal AWD. :roll:

Kevin Allen wrote:

(and yes, I know pax is meaningless - but compare the raw times of the STis vs. the 2.5RS... and 6th fastest isn't so bad) Or maybe it's the car control skills we've learned by rallycrossing? (hint hint) :wink:

It was a joke. You were talking about Subarus and then you said car control. I really didn't think it was that hard to follow. Just hit the gas and the diff will figure it out for you.

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

I know it was a joke.

Let's just drop it before Wes gets involved and somebody has to lock the thread... :wink:

RobLupella · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:19 pm

I thought the course was fun, I wish I had my head together to get a decent morning run in so I could have experimented with CW/CCW.

The sweeper was a blast and so was the back section of the course. Thanks to Chris and Kevin for giving us a challenging course.

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:25 pm

Kevin Allen wrote:

I know it was a joke.

Let's just drop it before Wes gets involved and somebody has to lock the thread... :wink:

My fingers on the lock button and I got an itchy finger.... :wink:

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