Missing Workers

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:44 am

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I just do not understand why we always have worker issues. It seems we have more issues than any other club I have run with. Unless the light bulb pops back on, I may have to agree with Art's arguement there is no difference.

We should of had 30 workers (120 drivers) per worker group. That should of given us:

2 workers per station (22)
3 T&S (25)
2 grid (27)
1 starter (28 )
1 tech/waiver (29)
1 officier/event chair (30)

1 worker per station (11)
3 T&S (14)
1 grid (15)
1 starter (16)
1 tech/waiver (17)
13 Missing (30)

I ran a VMSC event at VMP about 3 weeks ago. It was nearly a mile long course with 7-8 worker stations and the average time was 72 seconds. My worker station at the end of the course (I guessed wrong at sign up) had 4 workers for the third heat. For heat 4, they averaged 2-3 workers per station. How?

What am I missing here?

Where are they?

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:53 am

Position # workers

Pres 1
VP's 3
Registrars 2
Timing setup 1
Scoring chief 1
Scoring workers 13
Worker coord. 2
Event chairs 2
Bus driver? 1*
Gate workers 2
Announcers 4
Start 4
Tech 2
Grid 4
Novice coord. 2
Total 44

That's 43-44 non-course workers depending on what the bus driver chooses to do. In Laurinburg we did NOT have 120 drivers, we had closer to 110. We also didn't assign the announcer position, so for this event, bump it to 39-40 non-course workers.

(110-40)/4 = 17-18 course workers per heat. We had a minimum of 11 worker stations. That isn't going to cut it. That also assumes a perfect split of run groups (it's usually pretty close). Even a 4 car swing between run groups results in a HUGE swing in workers.

A large number of our reruns were awarded due to red flags that resulted from an inability to reassemble the course before the next car arrived. Those reruns were cut down significantly (except for Jim) when we lengthened the launch interval on Sunday (about 40 second interval).

Scott

Wes Eargle · **Joined:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:47 am **Posts:** 3683

Jim, aren't you supposed to get a rerun? :lol:

David Teague · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:06 am

I worked dobule duty as a gate worker and announcer and I have said in the past, will glady do doulbe duty as long as one of thoose shifts is announcing

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:12 am

scottjohnson wrote:

Position # workers

Pres 1
VP's 3
Registrars 2
Timing setup 1
Scoring chief 1
Scoring workers 13
Worker coord. 2
Event chairs 2
Bus driver? 1*
Gate workers 2
Announcers 4
Start 4
Tech 2
Grid 4
Novice coord. 2
Total 44

That's 43-44 non-course workers depending on what the bus driver chooses to do. In Laurinburg we did NOT have 120 drivers, we had closer to 110. We also didn't assign the announcer position, so for this event, bump it to 39-40 non-course workers.

(110-40)/4 = 17-18 course workers per heat. We had a minimum of 11 worker stations. That isn't going to cut it. That also assumes a perfect split of run groups (it's usually pretty close). Even a 4 car swing between run groups results in a HUGE swing in workers.

A large number of our reruns were awarded due to red flags that resulted from an inability to reassemble the course before the next car arrived. Those reruns were cut down significantly (except for Jim) when we lengthened the launch interval on Sunday (about 40 second interval).

Scott

Still leaves me scratching my head...I accounted for starter, tech, gate, grid and scoring in my numbers. Even with 110, I am coming up with 10 short per heat. We add in Prez, VP's, Chairs and bus driver....that is 2 more per heat. So that is still 10 people per heat that are missing...assuming 110 drivers.

That would have been enough to staff the course.

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:16 am

I guess I don't understand your math. I've got all the numbers up there, and it's still:

(110-40)/4 = 17.5 cone shaggers per heat.

Matthew_Thomson · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:18 am

i worked one course heat and gate on sunday

Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:20 am

David Teague wrote:

I worked dobule duty as a gate worker and announcer and I have said in the past, will glady do doulbe duty as long as one of thoose shifts is announcing

I also worked run groups 2 & 4 at the finish then at the "p". I knew we were short so when Stephen asked me to got back out I said sure.

Part of the problem may be (purely speculation) that first-timers may simply leave after running their last runs if they were in run group three(?).
Also, the morning work stations may have been overbooked as well.

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:29 am

Jim-

You numbers are leaving out Registrars, Novice coordinators, worker coordinators, etc.

Scott

RobLupella · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:04 pm

Graham and I worked Saturday 4th shift (Novice Co-ordinators)/Event chairs, as did the novice co-ordinator subs

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

I was a novice coordinator on Saturday, and worked as photographer throughout the day (I also worked the course wherever I happened to be at the time). Rick Butters was the other Saturday novice coordinator, and I saw him working the course toward the finish at some point. So you can add us to those who worked the course, if that helps...

Graham Jagger · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:53 am **Posts:** 1718

And add that Chris and Emmett did a work shift on both days even though they did the bus shuffle and setup day on Friday.

Also subtract 1 for Photographer in general. I beleive that is Kevin's official job at autocross. And he also did Novice Coordinator Saturday and Friday setup. Miles did Friday setup and Novice Coordinator.

Rob and I worked 4th shift Saturday in the P.

So you didn't loose much overhead from event setup.

By my math, which is no doubt flawed, Stations 1-6 needed 1 person and Stations 7-11 needed 2. That's 6+10+starter+grid=18. By 4 shifts. That's 72 workers. Given 110 entries minus 40 overhead is 70 workers. But we had some of the event overhead people doing a work shift to fill in holes. So I'm confused why the numbers are so out of whack.

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:37 pm

Graham Jagger wrote:

Stations 1-6 needed 1 person and Stations 7-11 needed 2.

A station should never have one worker

I can tell you the guys in the P were running like crazy when I was working T&S.

On Saturday we were launching when a car exited the P and headed onto the taxiway. The starter had their back to the course, so he could not see what is happening in the P or the taxiway. That is pretty dangerous. On Saturday, I waited a little while after getting the go ahead. After barely missing two workers on my first run (one was Mr. Butters), I thought it better to wait. Especially after following Ryan

Chris Overcash · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:38 pm

Did we actually only use 11 workstations Sunday? It seemed like on Saturday when I went out to do a shift that there were 13 or 14 workstations? This could account for a half dozen or more workers?

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:43 pm

Chris Overcash wrote:

Did we actually only use 11 workstations Sunday? It seemed like on Saturday when I went out to do a shift that there were 13 or 14 workstations? This could account for a half dozen or more workers?

On Saturday for the first heat, the stations on the crossover combined into one station with two people...according to the radio check. According to the radio check....we had 10 stations in the morning.

I think what you saw was any station that happened to have two people spread out. I noticed this on my Sunday reruns

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