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Well, if you want to become a better driver, I have a deal for you. I'll trade you straight up your STI for my 325is. I'm just that nice of a guy.

If you can learn to drive the it fast, you can drive anything fast

Well not really, but it's nice to not fear oversteer.

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Mike Whitney
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V10, V8, V8t, I6, I6, V6, F4t, I4, I4, I4, I4, I2, 1, 1

I thought you could only drive one of those if you worked at IBM?



Are you sure you would want to take a step down to the STi? I have been told it is not as 'professional' of a car.

Hopefully, to stay on topic, I will have some meatier/wider 245/45/17s to keep me in "3rd" gear more, and out of 4th in the future.


Oh, and I hope the "Corvette Guys" get to keep making the courses. Those are the bestest!!

-brian

Jim P. is doing event #1 and he *did* drive an MR2. Course design? Well let's just say if you need a turbo car to have time to spool you're in trouble.

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Vincent Keene
'06 Ford Mustang GT (track rat)
'15 Dodge Charger R/T (yeah, it's got a HEMI!)
'07 Ford Fusion SE (205,000 miles and counting)
'98 Chevy Z-24 (retired)
'93 Acura Integra (Team SWB 24HOL Car)

Not an issue. No spool time needed here...virtually no lag as we have a small turbo. We should be giving up a lot of time to the smaller 2-door cars.

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You think spool time is going to be a problem for someone running the back straight in 4th gear and doing the slalom in the elements section in 3rd?

I like all the courses we have as they are all challenging, but I LOVE the wide open courses the best.

Can't wait!

- brian

Small turbo? Ha

You have obviously never seen the VW 1.8T stock turbo, K03, about the size of your fist

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So how do you like the Bobcats? How are they for dusting and cleanup?
Miles gave me a set of used Hawk HP+ pads part way through last season. They squeel sometimes, they make nasty dust that will stick like glue to your rims if it gets wet, but... I almost buried a passenger in the windshield with them

The difference on how much later I can brake over those PFC street pads I used at the T&T is amazing! I was just too lazy to put them on for the T&T.

I was actually looking at the Panther pads instead of Bobcats. I want the same level of braking as the HP+. They're as addictive as R-comps.

Btw, I have never ridden in an STi before. Could I catch a ride with you at L'burg in March? I may be able to at least make the Sunday part, I hope.

Graham

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Hey, I think yours and Scott's cars are fast compared to my bone stock powered Miata. I took a nap on the the back straight. I still did manage to get well into third gear, since second runs out right at 60, I was hitting at least 65 and cracked 50 seconds clean.

I want to run that course again in June, hmmmm lets see double the HP equals double the speed right?? So I should be able too hit 130 on the back straight.

Question about brake pads:

I'm confused . . . but what do I know?

How are higher performance/racing brake pads shortening stopping distances in autocrosses where the limit for braking is tire traction? In my experience (many years but not that many cars) all that higher friction coeficient pads do is let the driver get to the tire traction limit with less pedal effort. Conversely, at least with my lightweight formula car, more aggressive pads, like the HP+ make it easier to lock wheels. I'm assuming that pad fade isn't an issue in an autocross . . . .

In any case (big HINT), even if the high performance pads help your car, don't get ones that change friction coeficient as they warm up . . . unless you run in AS and your goal is to minimize how much you beat me by

Dick

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Dick Rasmussen

FS 50 2018 Mustang GT

IMHO the pads are letting you reach the limits of the tires. If you use Pep Boy specials, you aren't letting the braking limit of the tires get reached as you would with Hawk Blacks. It's simply cutting down the bottleneck.

But what do I know, I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night

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Graham,

So far I like the Bobcats. As compared to my stock pads they have less initial bite at low speeds but the bite they do have is the same at 10mph as it is at 130+ mph, meaning that I felt no sponginess or anything less than good braking. I did several high speeds stops with moderate to hard braking and experienced no noticeable change in pedal feel. I then did about 1/2 hour of autoX type braking and noticed no change in the pedal and then went back for one more high speed stop. All felt good. Dust-wise, they dust less than my stock pads but not much less.

I'd be more than happy to take you for a spin. Just remind me so that we line up to allow for the ride.

Dick,

Not sure how it works but I found that I can hit the brakes later than I could with my stock pads. Power of suggestion, act of God, I don't know but I sure liked the way they felt. The Bobcats supposedly don't require warm up but I rode my brakes to the start line-up anyway.

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1992 Camaro CMC#92
2002 BMW R1150R

2009 3rd Place CMC Mid-Atlantic Championship
2009 CMC Hyperfest Winner

w00t!!11!

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I won't debate your autocross skills or knowledge. I have a whole 2 years at it and I haven't won squat.

Yes I agree that the higher friction coeficient pads get you to the limits of your tires traction faster. As Wes noted also. That is the point. With my PFC street pads I have both feet on the brake pedal and I feel like I'm pushing it through the floor. The pads have a low coeficient. They feel like they are just sliding by the rotor and not clamping it for crap.

I ran the PFC pads my 1st year. Last year I tried the HP+ on all 4 corners. I can left foot brake with ease. If I bury the pedal with both feet I will get into the ABS big time. Hence, overcoming the tires ability. That won't happen with the PFC pads. So I get better modulation and can reach the tires potential quickly.

I'm no racing engineer but I know what I like and they feel much better to me. They don't feel any different from my 1st to last run. Even doing 14 runs in 1 day with the NCCC crowd and braking at much higher speeds. Once I put them on I just left them on and drove the car everyday with them. They just dust like crazy and you need to clean your wheels a lot.

Graham

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Brake Comment Clarification:

My comments assumed (but I never mentioned) high quality OEM brake pads . . . not aftermarket pads such as "Pep Boys" or high quality but not equivalent to OEM pads like the PFC pads. I assume that all oem brakes/pads on high performance cars can easily lock the wheels even with R tires. I don't know, however, if that is really the case.

Graham's experience with the PFC's where he could not lock them is one of the points I was trying to make. Some "racing" and other high performance pads need to get warm or hot before they will grip well . . . not good for autocrossing. Some have decent grip cold but have even better grip as they warm up. This can be "confusing" for the driver and/or change the brake bias during a run . . . which can be interesting also. Note that you can legally change the brake bias in Stock by changing to a different coeficient pad at one end of the car . . . been there, done that, can work very well.

FYI on my formula ford I run street pads. Currently Hawk HPS. Brakes are manual.

Sorry for any confusion.

Dick

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Dick Rasmussen

FS 50 2018 Mustang GT