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 Post subject: Quick and dirty run down on how this AutoX works
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:41 pm 
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I signed up for Danvile, this will be my first autocross, Milko said I should be in the ESP class with my car.

It looks like we pretty much follow SCCA rules, I went through the classes in there but there's a TON of info in that document.

Will I get a instructor of some sort being the first time, or does that even happen with auto cross?

How many runs is typical?

My car is a 2010 Camaro SS with:
Longtube headers
ECU Tune
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Springs
Stock size summer street tires.

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 Post subject: Re: Quick and dirty run down on how this AutoX works
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:52 pm 
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Looks more like STU. Or, run in CAM against Rodney et al.

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 Post subject: Re: Quick and dirty run down on how this AutoX works
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:47 pm 
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We aren't as strict as SCCA or NASA about classing, as long as you aren't grossly misrepresenting your car. It's all about fun and bragging rights.

You can get anyone to hop in for ride alongs. And you get a ride with anyone who wants to take you. We're planning on being there, so you're welcome to hop in either seat. (Honda civic lemons car, E-Prepared, and maybe the white hatch, "lumpy", D-Modified)


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 Post subject: Re: Quick and dirty run down on how this AutoX works
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:54 pm 
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Not sure if he's legal to this part with longtubes.

Quote:
E. Catalytic converters: Any catalytic converters are allowed, but must
attach within 6” (152.4 mm) of the original unit. Multiple catalytic
converters may be replaced by a single unit. The inlet of the single
replacement converter may be located no further downstream than
6” (152.4 mm) along the piping flow path from the original exit of the
final OE converter. The extents of an OE converter are defined by
the expansion chamber in which the catalyst is contained, regardless
of placement within larger exhaust sections. Replacement converters
must have a minimum catalyst density of 100 cells per inch and
minimum substrate length of 3” (76.2 mm).


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 Post subject: Re: Quick and dirty run down on how this AutoX works
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:20 pm 
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JamesMilko wrote:
Not sure if he's legal to this part with longtubes.

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E. Catalytic converters: Any catalytic converters are allowed, but must
attach within 6” (152.4 mm) of the original unit. Multiple catalytic
converters may be replaced by a single unit. The inlet of the single
replacement converter may be located no further downstream than
6” (152.4 mm) along the piping flow path from the original exit of the
final OE converter. The extents of an OE converter are defined by
the expansion chamber in which the catalyst is contained, regardless
of placement within larger exhaust sections. Replacement converters
must have a minimum catalyst density of 100 cells per inch and
minimum substrate length of 3” (76.2 mm).


True, but I have no idea where his cat is. One can stil have long primaries if the cat position is within six inches.

IMO, first autocross is no big deal and STU probably fits fine. If he starts beating people, then he may have to make some changes if someone gets bent out of shape over it.

Also, CAM has a friendlier PAX vs ESP, especially when he is on street tires and not A6s.

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 Post subject: Re: Quick and dirty run down on how this AutoX works
PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:34 pm 
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At the event arrive early and grab a parking spot. Pop your hood and trunk and clear out all the junk like spare tires floor mats and loose items.

Then check in at the bus and walk the course. You should walk it three times and we have a novice walk with a coordinator at 930 usually.

If you want help ask. The best way to learn fast is to take rides and drive. Try and ride for as many runs as you take yourself. Usually 5-7 runs are done and most people will take a passenger as long as it's not their last run.

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 Post subject: Re: Quick and dirty run down on how this AutoX works
PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:03 pm 
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Rob Keehner wrote:
At the event arrive early and grab a parking spot. Pop your hood and trunk and clear out all the junk like spare tires floor mats and loose items.

Then check in at the bus and walk the course. You should walk it three times and we have a novice walk with a coordinator at 930 usually.

If you want help ask. The best way to learn fast is to take rides and drive. Try and ride for as many runs as you take yourself. Usually 5-7 runs are done and most people will take a passenger as long as it's not their last run.



Awesome, thanks, no worries on the spare, Camaros don't have them lol. We actually have a fix a flat thing with a 12v pump but I ditched it anyway because it's near useless anyway.

I'll be happy to take all the rides I can.

Really looking forward to it, my brother is signed up too, he also has a 2010 Camaro SS with long tubes but no springs and wider tires up front. Should be a blast!

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 Post subject: Re: Quick and dirty run down on how this AutoX works
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:54 am 
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Chad Culbertson wrote:


Awesome, thanks, no worries on the spare, Camaros don't have them lol. We actually have a fix a flat thing with a 12v pump but I ditched it anyway because it's near useless anyway.

I'll be happy to take all the rides I can.

Really looking forward to it, my brother is signed up too, he also has a 2010 Camaro SS with long tubes but no springs and wider tires up front. Should be a blast!


you guys need to run in CAM class. More drivers and as it was said, better PAX than ESP.

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 Post subject: Re: Quick and dirty run down on how this AutoX works
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:05 am 
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Doesn't really matter what class since they should both be in NOV anyhow. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Quick and dirty run down on how this AutoX works
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:15 pm 
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Its good you have a buddy to hang out with, but I will suggest you fight the urge to ride along with each other. I can't remember, but I think we may even have a rule against that for first timers? It might be good for both of you two find different people to ride with (their car and yours). Random thoughts...

* Don't be late to the drivers meeting and pay attention during it.
* Make sure you understand when you are expected to run and work (should be covered in meeting).
* Find and ask for help from the novice coordinators.
* Participate in the course walk and take it seriously.
* Walk with someone who has experience and ideally is in a car like yours.
* Course walks are not a social event. So don't be offended if everyone else looks really serious as they walk and don't talk to you. Remember they are likely highly focused and are potentially running the course through their head over and over again. There will be plenty of time to socialize between runs at the event
* Take notes during the walk and maybe after each run. Some say this is worthless. I get the point that they want you to commit it to memory vs. paper, but I think paper is fine as you start out.
* Envision driving the car through the course at speed during the walk. Where will you place the car as you pass a cone (i.e. do you treat the cone as early or late apex)? Where will you brake? When will you get back on the gas?
* Pace slalom cones. Are they spaced evenly or do they change (i.e. get closer as the slalom progresses, so you will have to slow as you go)
* Do your best to memorize the entire course. You don't want to spend each run lurching from one element to the next with them showing up as if you have never seen them before.
* Figure out which cones matter an which do not. For example cones on the inside of a sweeper are more important than those placed on the outside. Knowing what to ignore helps with the memorization.
* I don't know your gearing, but remember that you are highly likely to launch, shift into second and leave it in second the entire time. So typically your first to second upshift is the only place you need to plan out a shift. But if the course is fast and your gearing is short, be prepared for 2nd to 3rd upshift. Someone experienced in a car similar to yours will help you understand if that is needed.
* Don't be late for your worker assignment.
* Key tricks to working the course...
** As you arrive at your worker station. Determine which cones your station is handling and make sure you know their location before they get knocked out of place. Imagine shagging a cone and then realizing you don't have a clue where it goes as you try to place it back into position. This is particularly bad if multiple cones get moved and more than once person is shagging cones at the same time.
** If you shag a cone and can't get it back into place in time, be safe and run off course with the cone in hand and put it back after the next car passes. If it screws up the driver on course then call it in so they can get a re-run. But if you get run down while trying to place a cone.... :(
** Watch cars as they approach your section, look at the class and number before they hit a cone vs. trying to see it afterwards! Otherwise you will get complacent and a car will hit a cone and be gone before you realize it. Calling in on on the radio with "white car plus one" is not good enough. ;)
** I think its OK to socalize at a worker station as long as you are able to keep an eye on the cars and course. But no day dreaming.
** Watching how others drive the course while working can be very educational.
** Understand the flow of the course at your station. That way you can be confident that if you call in a DNF that you are correct vs. screwing up someones run! ;)
** If you are a novice let others at the station know it is your first time. They can help show you the ropes.
** Plan an escape route. Some stations will see no activity while others can be very busy and some might have lots of "offs" by cars. So think where a car might go and be prepared to exit in a different direction. Hopefully course design will prevent you from being in that position.
* After each run, try to get your time, or at at least make sure you didn't DNF due to being off course. Some people will show up, and run the course wrong each run (such as missing a gate) and leave never knowing they got it wrong each time until the results are posted.
* Bring rain gear. There is nothing worse than working a course when it is raining and you have no protection.
* Bring water to drink and food if there is nowhere close to get lunch. Snack bar or candy for while working is also a good idea.
* Bring a hat and sunscreen.
* If you bring a bunch of stuff in your car that you have to leave in the pit and it might rain, have a tarp or something to cover your stuff.
* Have a plan, but be prepared to adjust it after each run.
* For the most part, don't over think while driving.
* Its your first event. Just try to make personal improvements and don't worry about the other guys.
* Look ahead
* Be smooth
* Slow in, fast out
* Have fun and be prepared for the shakes after a quick run. ;)

Richard

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 Post subject: Re: Quick and dirty run down on how this AutoX works
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:04 pm 
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JamesMilko wrote:
Doesn't really matter what class since they should both be in NOV anyhow. :)


There is that, but running in CAM class they could bench mark against Stephen.... Seems a logical migration, but you are right, run NOV for a year and learn the car! Resist the temptation for more mods right now. What's needed is seat time, seat time, seat time....

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 Post subject: Re: Quick and dirty run down on how this AutoX works
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:32 pm 
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RodneyWright wrote:
JamesMilko wrote:
Doesn't really matter what class since they should both be in NOV anyhow. :)


There is that, but running in CAM class they could bench mark against Stephen.... Seems a logical migration, but you are right, run NOV for a year and learn the car! Resist the temptation for more mods right now. What's needed is seat time, seat time, seat time....


I thought more power was always a good thing :stick:


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 Post subject: Re: Quick and dirty run down on how this AutoX works
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Richard Casto wrote:
Its good you have a buddy to hang out with, but I will suggest you fight the urge to ride along with each other. I can't remember, but I think we may even have a rule against that for first timers? It might be good for both of you two find different people to ride with (their car and yours). Random thoughts...


Richard


I believe you are correct, bu I will let those running the show give the official answer.


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 Post subject: Re: Quick and dirty run down on how this AutoX works
PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:47 am 
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No novices riding with novices.

Also, don't take autocross advice from people who haven't been to an autocross in several years (sorry Richard, couldn't resist).

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 Post subject: Re: Quick and dirty run down on how this AutoX works
PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:26 am 
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BriceJohnson wrote:
Also, don't take autocross advice from people who haven't been to an autocross in several years (sorry Richard, couldn't resist).

LOL, that's fine. ;) Other than I dumped a bunch of stuff on him, please correct me if I am wrong anywhere. :D

Richard

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