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YoussefGamal · **Joined:** Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:33 pm **Posts:** 21

I will probably be there Chad. I think I maybe co-driving with Andrew.

I would ride with you, but I am about as awful as they come at autocross. Andrew is quick though, so maybe he can help.

Andrew Jonell · **Joined:** Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:43 pm **Posts:** 1350

I'll drive the Mazda2, I'll take both of you out on a run with my Yokohama AVID Ascend BluEarth super-eco tires.

JamesMilko · **Posted:** Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:43 pm

Depending on the weather I might come up. Not too interested in autocrossing the GTO so the weather has to be in the narrow window that allows me to drive there in a car with no windows, HVAC or interior.

Chad Culbertson · **Posted:** Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:13 pm

All good info guys!

Yeah I wouldn't ride with my brother or vice versa, two noobs don't make a right surely! lol

Rodney, in regards to the mods, I hear you on seat time, and agree. It's will be very hard for me not to do some stuff though, I get bored pretty quick and since the car is new enough to not have things break all the time putting new parts on is about the only thing to do, haha.

The suspension on these 2010-2011's needs lots of help, and all Camaro's suffer from terrible sub frame bushings.

I am already in the plan of doing a bit of frankenstein by adding FE4 (2012+) lower control arms on the back to take advantage of the newer style outboard sway bar instead of the old style inboard.

The car is coming close to needing shocks, so will likely be doing some Koni Oranges or maybe Yellows if they come out with them by Spring possibly.

Other than that I want to add some stainless braided brake lines for some extra assurance on VIR, I can hit 140+ on the back straight if I keep my foot in it so braking is pretty important to me, lol.

Certainly looking forward to some autocross though where I can be comfortable turning all the nannies off and not worrying too much about about wipeout. I feel like I have semi-decent car control now just from horsing around in parking lots and such, but i'm really looking forward to having some fun without any possible wreckless driving tickets.

Rob Keehner · **Posted:** Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:14 pm

Just sell it and get a used Z06.

OE brake lines are safer than aftermarket. Every failure I have EVER seen was an aftermarket line. After 5 or 6 there has to be a correlation.

Jason Mauldin · **Posted:** Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:53 am

Chad Culbertson wrote:

Rodney, in regards to the mods, I hear you on seat time, and agree. It's will be very hard for me not to do some stuff though, I get bored pretty quick and since the car is new enough to not have things break all the time putting new parts on is about the only thing to do, haha.
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Don't listen to these guys about mods. Build the car that you want, and just run in whatever class you fall in. If it turns out that you want to be competitive in Autocross, you'll be better off buying a car that is more competitive from the factory. In the meantime, enjoy your car!

The thing that you have to be careful about is letting the mods and your desire to mod get in the way of learning how to autocross. On autocross day, especially in the beginning, forget about the mods that you have done to the car and forget about trying to analyze what the car is doing so that you know which mod you should get next. Just focus on learning how to read and drive the course. You'll maximize your time at the event and get the most bang for your buck in terms of learning. Autocross is a very specific driving skill, and you may be the best driver on the street or at a track, and that might not translate to being good at autocross. Keep that in mind when you get out there, and don't get frustrated if you suck at first.

Just separate the two (modding vs learning to autocross) for now, but that doesn't mean to stop spending money on your car. If you can afford to do both, then go for it.

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:37 am

Jason Mauldin wrote:

Chad Culbertson wrote:

Rodney, in regards to the mods, I hear you on seat time, and agree. It's will be very hard for me not to do some stuff though, I get bored pretty quick and since the car is new enough to not have things break all the time putting new parts on is about the only thing to do, haha.
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Don't listen to these guys about mods. Build the car that you want, and just run in whatever class you fall in. If it turns out that you want to be competitive in Autocross, you'll be better off buying a car that is more competitive from the factory. In the meantime, enjoy your car!

The thing that you have to be careful about is letting the mods and your desire to mod get in the way of learning how to autocross. On autocross day, especially in the beginning, forget about the mods that you have done to the car and forget about trying to analyze what the car is doing so that you know which mod you should get next. Just focus on learning how to read and drive the course. You'll maximize your time at the event and get the most bang for your buck in terms of learning. Autocross is a very specific driving skill, and you may be the best driver on the street or at a track, and that might not translate to being good at autocross. Keep that in mind when you get out there, and don't get frustrated if you suck at first.

Just separate the two (modding vs learning to autocross) for now, but that doesn't mean to stop spending money on your car. If you can afford to do both, then go for it.

LOL... I think I used the term "try to resist" when it comes to mods. I know that advice didn't work so well on me, hell, I'm still modding the car!

Chad, do be careful on what mods you add as they move you from class to class if you follow the traditional path from FS to STU to ESP. My mechanic also told me once you can have a great street car and you can have a great autocross car, but you can't have both. I had mentioned this before, and after you run NOV for a while, consider running CAM. That's pretty much wide open mods-wise and has a better PAX.

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:53 am

Chad Culbertson wrote:

Other than that I want to add some stainless braided brake lines for some extra assurance on VIR, I can hit 140+ on the back straight if I keep my foot in it so braking is pretty important to me, lol.

Rob Keehner wrote:

OE brake lines are safer than aftermarket. Every failure I have EVER seen was an aftermarket line. After 5 or 6 there has to be a correlation.

Controversial topic and source of many online fights. I tend to be in the camp that is suspicious of stainless braided brake lines. Anecdotally you seem to hear more negatives (such as failures, and fitment issues) than positives. I tend to view that there is more chance of a vendor and/or installer getting it wrong somehow with braided than using known good OEM. But... I believe pro teams use stainless. Maybe due to ease of fabrication and less about performance?

Richard

JamesMilko · **Posted:** Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:25 pm

People just don't know how to deal with braided stainless lines. If the outer plastic gets compromised because you didn't put the line on at the right angle the entire line is garbage. If it doesn't have outer plastic it's garbage right from the factory.

If the braids are exposed they will eventually fail, if you install it wrong and don't check it for rubbing after the first few sessions it will fail.

Roger McDaniels · **Posted:** Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:33 pm

Ricky and I should be there in the Duff car. Feel free to jump in the passenger seat any time. We will be happy to conduct a tutorial on the fine art of hooning a crapcan about an autocross course. And if our enthusiasm appears greater than our skill, then that's just how we roll.

Chad Culbertson · **Posted:** Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:13 pm

I'm sure there's good and bad parts out there for everything, stainless brake lines included. I haven't seen any horror stories from guys who use stainless lines over at Camaro5 and it seems to be a pretty popular mod.

I doubt i'll have any issues with the stock lines anyway and for my experience level I don't know the difference anyhow.

I'd be perfectly happy to take all the rides I can get, including the Duff beer car, lol.

I'm old enough to know these days, the car doesn't make the driver fast, but the driver makes the cat fast. When my brother and myself did the Hyperdrive at the NASA Oktoberfast event, that was pretty obvious, even though my brother had open track in front of him, his lap times were nowhere close to the Miatas, even though we have over 420HP and the tires, lol.

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:00 am

Chad Culbertson wrote:

I'm sure there's good and bad parts out there for everything, stainless brake lines included. I haven't seen any horror stories from guys who use stainless lines over at Camaro5 and it seems to be a pretty popular mod.

I doubt i'll have any issues with the stock lines anyway and for my experience level I don't know the difference anyhow.

I'd be perfectly happy to take all the rides I can get, including the Duff beer car, lol.

I'm old enough to know these days, the car doesn't make the driver fast, but the driver makes the cat fast. When my brother and myself did the Hyperdrive at the NASA Oktoberfast event, that was pretty obvious, even though my brother had open track in front of him, his lap times were nowhere close to the Miatas, even though we have over 420HP and the tires, lol.

Really? Need to visualize that one.....

Chad Culbertson · **Posted:** Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:13 am

RodneyWright wrote:

Chad Culbertson wrote:

I'm sure there's good and bad parts out there for everything, stainless brake lines included. I haven't seen any horror stories from guys who use stainless lines over at Camaro5 and it seems to be a pretty popular mod.

I doubt i'll have any issues with the stock lines anyway and for my experience level I don't know the difference anyhow.

I'd be perfectly happy to take all the rides I can get, including the Duff beer car, lol.

I'm old enough to know these days, the car doesn't make the driver fast, but the driver makes the cat fast. When my brother and myself did the Hyperdrive at the NASA Oktoberfast event, that was pretty obvious, even though my brother had open track in front of him, his lap times were nowhere close to the Miatas, even though we have over 420HP and the tires, lol.

Really? Need to visualize that one.....

Hah, whoops... damn typos.

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