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 Post subject: I assisted at an AX (AutoSlalom) in Germany.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:33 am 
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Since I’m in Germany I went to look at an AX event last Sunday. The event was held in an industrial park. They used the street for the course layout. The event is run by class and group, with an assign run time, you show up before your assign time, go to tech inspection, than do your runs. When the group is finish they will post the time and sometime later (protest period I suppose) they will do the trophy presentation for the group. During that time another group is running. When your group is finish you can leave if you wish, there is no pylone duty per say. They had a group of people doing it and they seem to be from the organizing club but I don’t really know more than that. What I’m sure is that the competitor didn’t have to do it. The course layout allowed for only 1 car at a time. They were doing the loop twice per run, see course map picture below and video. The picture of the offset slalom with the pointer cone in the opposite direction of what we used is the part of the course we don’t see in the video. They do 3 runs, the 1st one is a practice run the 2nd and 3rd are time run but they are added together for the final time. Also, pylone hit is a 3sec. penalty each. If you miss a gate it’s 15sec. So cone penalty is really important since they are adding both time run. The course was open to walk for about 10min between some group.
As for cars there was a good variety, not much stock car, they all mostly had some suspension work and they mostly all run on racing slick. From what I understand they used a power to weight ratio formula, in one class they had a BMW Z4M, a Porsche GT3 a VW Polo R and a Renault Clio. The GT3 and the Polo R where not running on racing slick the other 2 were. The Z4M won the class and the group and held fastest time until the other type of classification started to run. This other type of classification is by engine size, those cars will be running in Prepared class in SCCA and they were the fastest. The Opel Kadett seems to be the car to have.
People were friendly some didn’t speak much English even less French. There was 2, 500 Abarth, one with 3 driver, the father, the daughter and the son. There was also a Fiat 128 in the “prepared class”. I spoke mainly with them and with the Z4M owner, all mainly middle age persons. There were a few family car like the Abarth and few cars were shared between driver. Their idea of AX in the US is “ Airport” I told them that was not always the case and that used parking lot quite often. The Abarth in the video had 210hp and running on Hoosier slick.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82XS00_uysw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6okv0ml4Lk

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 Post subject: Re: I assisted at an AX (AutoSlalom) in Germany.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:41 pm 
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Not much room for error, when running between curbs and fences.
Noticed not many spectators, was that the norm? I'd feel like I'm missing half the fun if I couldn't see others run.


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 Post subject: Re: I assisted at an AX (AutoSlalom) in Germany.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:50 pm 
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Patrice,

To Keith's point, did you talk to anyone about the perceived lack of run off, etc. Do they have difficulty obtaining sites? I am making a broad assumption that their site options are limited and that they just accept the risk to damage to their car and likely what I assume is liability of damage to others. Any clue as to what they were charging for entry fee?

Did you make a trip to the Nordschleife?

Richard

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 Post subject: Re: I assisted at an AX (AutoSlalom) in Germany.
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Strangely enough, the pointer cones in the course diagram are as we would put them! I can only assume that the lack of a prone cone means go that way, regardless of its orientation. Leave it to the Germans to confuse things. (That may be politically insensitive, but I have been married to a German woman for over 48 years, so I feel entitled.)

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 Post subject: Re: I assisted at an AX (AutoSlalom) in Germany.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:57 pm 
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Neal Harrington wrote:
Strangely enough, the pointer cones in the course diagram are as we would put them! I can only assume that the lack of a prone cone means go that way, regardless of its orientation. Leave it to the Germans to confuse things. (That may be politically insensitive, but I have been married to a German woman for over 48 years, so I feel entitled.)


I thought it was just me but aren't the pointer cones backwards?

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 Post subject: Re: I assisted at an AX (AutoSlalom) in Germany.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:16 pm 
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Richard Casto wrote:
Patrice,

To Keith's point, did you talk to anyone about the perceived lack of run off, etc. Do they have difficulty obtaining sites? I am making a broad assumption that their site options are limited and that they just accept the risk to damage to their car and likely what I assume is liability of damage to others. Any clue as to what they were charging for entry fee?

Did you make a trip to the Nordschleife?

Richard

They don't sue people in Germany. That takes a lot of pressure off of liability fears. They think that we are crazy going to court over every little thing. They also have government medical care and disability.

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 Post subject: Re: I assisted at an AX (AutoSlalom) in Germany.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:01 am 
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To answer some questions.
I was at the end of the spectator area closest to the course they were all behind me.
The lack of runoff area didn’t seem to bother them that much, but I when I show to some of them a video of NCCAR they seem to like the grassy area off track. Price look to be 25euro see link below.
http://www.oberlandrunde.de/dl/mc_wuerm ... 140928.pdf

Found the link to the results.
http://www.mc-wuermtal.de/mcw/site/as-p ... 9.2014.pdf

The pointer cone in the opposite direction of what we used is confusing for sure.

The Nordschleife is this coming Saturday.

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 Post subject: Re: I assisted at an AX (AutoSlalom) in Germany.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:30 am 
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The pointers are backwards by our standards. They seem to be indicating input instead of relative position to the cone? Funny to see Hoosiers on the other side of the world.

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 Post subject: Re: I assisted at an AX (AutoSlalom) in Germany.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:34 am 
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Wow, that driver was scooting along nicely.

With the format of total time, +3 seconds for cones, & the 15 seconds DNF rule I'd imagine the strategy would be to dial it back just a touch to get clean runs and avoid a spin since the runoff is tight.

Thanks for sharing Patrice and btw, there's talk of allowing the Fiats at zMax again on street tires. :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: I assisted at an AX (AutoSlalom) in Germany.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:24 pm 
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A likely story! Trip to Germany, take part in a local autocross. Sure.

Truth is, you were in Canada, weren't you?

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