CAM class proposed by SCCA

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:50 pm

Let me go ahead and officially ask the question here..... in regard to the new proposed SCCA CAM class, will THSCC support this class? I saw where James stated "yes" we'll support this class. So a few questions before I create new magnets...

> I see this is in the proposed and draft state of the 2014 SCCA solo rules. Whats the general rule for SCCA to issue a final version of their rules from a date standpoint? Since this is Jan, I'd think we'd see something cast in stone by next month.

> Assuming this is approved, will we offer the subclasses as suggested by SCCA? The proposed manual states loosely that regional clubs can choose to run one CAM class or subdivide by either CAM-A and CAM-B with the split being either pre73/post73 or pre83/post83.

> If this is approved we need to hawk this on faceplace, other forums and make sure we add this as a selectable class in the drop down list when registering a car.

> If the CAM class is approved, who in the club would run it? I certainly would if there's enough competition, but I don't want to run in a 3 car class, there's no "push" in a small class. The mustang is somewhat prepped for STU and Woefully under prepped for CAM, but it would fun running against like cars. If this starts getting filled by vett's then I'll have to rethink this, there's just no comparison of my mustang to a nicely prepared corvette.

This would certainly allow the addition of a procharger on the bullitt. I could dig running 400+hp at the wheels on that car!

JamesShort · **Posted:** Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:05 pm

Without it being discussed, my gut is we will support 1 CAM class (no year split). And of course it will be a selectable class in MSR.

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:52 pm

I guess it depends on how many of these cars come out, but one class could be problematic as one could theoretically put a class-killing late model Corvette in there and ruin everyone's day. Looking at the Goodguys autocross rules, they have four sub-classes: Street Machine (1955-72), Hot Rod (pre-1954), Truck (pre-1972), and All American Late Model (post- 1973)

I am not saying that four classes is the best choice, but there are big easy obvious ways to cheat the rules (and ruin the fun) when the intention is to get more people to come out and drive. An easy option could be to exclude all 2-seat post-1983 sportscars from the CAM class, and then split by year if it becomes an issue with modern Mustangs beating up on old Camaros.

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:30 pm

RodneyWright wrote:

Whats the general rule for SCCA to issue a final version of their rules from a date standpoint? Since this is Jan, I'd think we'd see something cast in stone by next month.

Seeing as this is supplemental class SCCA can do whatever they want, when they want with the rules of this class. Currently as configured, lots of folks smarter than me feel the class is a weee bit too open and someone could try and build a AM esque car under a 32' Ford Chassis. The rules are that wide open. Goodguys subscribes to the benevolent dictator type of rules management as they can toss anyone they feel is too "race car" like. SCCA can't and won't do that.

That said, I don't see that being a problem in our pond but looking to the SCCA for this to be cast in stone is folly at best.

There are lots of these hurdles that the staff have to decide on that will be a major PITA.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:21 pm

I want use to have as few a classes as possible, so if we adopt something 'CAM'-like I don't want numerous permutations, because let's face it, if we look back 5 years, I bet the sum of cars that would compete in this class is less than 20-25. I'd say at THSCC autox the most likely participant would be SM late model mustangs (one street tires and yet SM due to FI).

However, I wouldn't be opposed to having the THSCC flavor of this class exclude 2 seaters to specifically avoid Corvettes from dominating.

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:28 pm

been thinking about this class some more. In regard to 2 seaters and 'vettes, I'd be good with allowing up to C4's, but nothing later. That would allow protouring cars w/ rear seat deletes and trucks to come out and play.

I still haven't heard back from other club members, but is ANYONE going to run this class? If not, I'm going STU. Stephen, where are you running this year? I know Art is staying street class. Not sure if Jason M is going to run this year....

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:10 pm

RodneyWright wrote:

Stephen, where are you running this year? I know Art is staying street class. Not sure if Jason M is going to run this year....

I'm either stuck in STU, ESP, or this CAM class. I'm buying new tires of the non R-comp variety and I assume CAM will have a tougher PAX, so it seems like STU is the logical choice with no intention of spending more money on other go fast parts.

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:44 pm

Stephen Westerfield wrote:

I'm either stuck in STU, ESP, or this CAM class. I'm buying new tires of the non R-comp variety and I assume CAM will have a tougher PAX, so it seems like STU is the logical choice with no intention of spending more money on other go fast parts.

I hear ya on the money spend. I've just sold a bunch of old wheels and tires I had under the house. I just had new 275 Dunlop ZII's installed at Jeb's, not cheap. I'm also going back to a set of Vogtland springs. I seem to remember having a set, but sold them to someone =) Hope to have those installed next weekend and then it will time to lineup the car back at Marks. I'll sell the Steeda springs after I have them removed to recoup a little money.

After that I'm done spending money on the car.

Someone please quote that and let's see how long that lie lasts :roll:

JohnByers · **Posted:** Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:00 pm

RodneyWright wrote:

After that I'm done spending money on the car.

Someone please quote that and let's see how long that lie lasts :roll:

Over under on 4 months?

JamesMilko · **Posted:** Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:33 pm

Under, before the first autocross.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:04 am

I think STU (ie M3, STI, Evo) will be faster than CAM and someone mentioned .830 for CAM which corroborates my claim.

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:54 am

JamesShort wrote:

I think STU (ie M3, STI, Evo) will be faster than CAM and someone mentioned .830 for CAM which corroborates my claim.

Are you sure that's right? STU PAX is .846 and CAM PAX is .83, so I'm thinking CAM is faster PAX wise....

DickRasmussen · **Posted:** Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:51 am

RodneyWright wrote:

JamesShort wrote:

I think STU (ie M3, STI, Evo) will be faster than CAM and someone mentioned .830 for CAM which corroborates my claim.

Are you sure that's right? STU PAX is .846 and CAM PAX is .83, so I'm thinking CAM is faster PAX wise....

CAM would be a better PAX time since the lower PAX index assumes a slower real time than the best STU cars/drivers would do, correct?

Coincidentally, FSR (the final year

) also has .83 PAX.

Jason Mauldin · **Posted:** Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:55 am

Rodney, I'm going to try to do more events. However, two out of the first three events are already booked. :evil:

If you run in CAM. I will too.

DickRasmussen · **Posted:** Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:56 am

RodneyWright wrote:

Stephen Westerfield wrote:

I'm either stuck in STU, ESP, or this CAM class. I'm buying new tires of the non R-comp variety and I assume CAM will have a tougher PAX, so it seems like STU is the logical choice with no intention of spending more money on other go fast parts.

I hear ya on the money spend. I've just sold a bunch of old wheels and tires I had under the house. I just had new 275 Dunlop ZII's installed at Jeb's, not cheap. I'm also going back to a set of Vogtland springs. I seem to remember having a set, but sold them to someone =) Hope to have those installed next weekend and then it will time to lineup the car back at Marks. I'll sell the Steeda springs after I have them removed to recoup a little money.

After that I'm done spending money on the car.

Someone please quote that and let's see how long that lie lasts :roll:

Maybe you should do a cost comparison with quickly finding a Boss 302 and trading. The Boss might be faster out of the box than anything you can do with the Bullitt. I wonder if a stock Boss is eligible for STU or CAM? I think it is A Street. :lol:

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