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 Post subject: Street is official
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:47 pm 
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TOPEKA, Kan. (October 11, 2013) – The Sports Car Club of America Board of Directors unanimously approved a proposal by the Solo® Events Board for Street Category cars in the Tire Rack National Solo program, beginning in 2014.

The Street Category will feature cars that are essentially off the showroom floor, with specified modifications. Tires in the class must be designed for highway use on passenger cars.

Tires in the Street Category must fit the following specifications:

1. Effective 1/1/14 – Minimum UTQG tread wear rating of 140
2. Effective 1/1/15 – Minimum UTQG tread wear rating of 200
3. Molded tread depth of 7/32” or greater as specified by the manufacturer
4. Listed in a current year of prior two years of the “Tire Guide” and/or “Tread Design Guide”
5. Department of Transportation (DOT) approved

The class will allow sway bars on the front or rear, and have a wheel diameter allowance of plus or minus one inch. Despite earlier proposals, there will be no camber allowances via camber plates, bolts or slotting.

“Participation in the current Stock Category is declining at a rapid rate, and data and feedback shows that the vast majority of the membership that would participate in this class would like to switch to ‘road tires,’” Lisa Noble, Chairman of the SCCA Board of Directors, said. “Classes with road tires have the largest participation numbers in regional competition, and since this potential rules change came to light, those who participate in the class have voted with their attendance. We anticipate that trend will continue as the Street category classes earn National Championship status in 2014.”

In addition to the new Street Category, for 2014, the current Stock Category will remain in place and be renamed the Street-R category. All 2013 Stock classes will become Street-R (SR) classes and follow the rules which were in place for Stock at the end of 2013. For 2015, the Street-R category will be reduced to a single class, Super Street R, for high horsepower machines.

“This has been a long process for the Solo community,” Howard Duncan, SCCA Vice President, Rally/Solo, said. “The SEB believes, and we agree, that this change does not alter the game, but will encourage more participants, as 72 percent of the letters the SEB received on the matter were in favor of the change. We’re looking forward to welcoming back members that we haven’t seen in several years, and introducing new members to the sport without requiring a major investment to the cars they already own.”

A more complete list of rules, along with the classifications of cars for the new Street Category, will be available in the October Fastrack® News.

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 Post subject: Re: Street is official
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:43 am 
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Ryan Holton wrote:
Despite earlier proposals, there will be no camber allowances via camber plates, bolts or slotting.


Well, that is disappointing.

The October Fastrak has been out for while, so it can't have the results of referenced meeting. I'll wait and read the November issue carefully before I have a conniption about being told to spend more money to go slower.

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 Post subject: Re: Street is official
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:27 pm 
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But I just put in an order for a new Miata from the factory with 32-way adjustable Ohlins, a fence post for a FSB, and A6 Hooisers; this is an outrage.


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 Post subject: Re: Street is official
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:01 pm 
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So, camber bolts are allowed per the factory manual on the mustangs. Are those dis-allowed now?

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 Post subject: Re: Street is official
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:22 pm 
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RodneyWright wrote:
So, camber bolts are allowed per the factory manual on the mustangs. Are those dis-allowed now?


I don't think so. The original proposal would have allowed much more than what is currently in the Stock rules. It would have been more like ST or SP I think. Maybe even more open than that other than the physical limits of original springs, etc. They pulled back to the current Stock rules by the May Fastrack I think. The original proposal also would have allowed changing front and rear anti-roll bars and defeating the TC and ESC in cars that don't have an easy override like Mustangs, etc.

I think the only real prep change other than 140 tires in 2014 and 200 in 2015 is the 1 inch either way wheel diameter allowance. Keeping in mind that the rim width is based on the "original" wheel diameter's width for the specific version of the car that you have.

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 Post subject: Re: Street is official
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:34 pm 
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I just confirmed (June Fastrack) that the 2013 Suspension rules remain in place (direct quote).

Skimmed through the following Fastracks and could only find a bunch of class tweeking and the bringing back of HS. Remember, however, the 12 month rule allows fast reclassing so before buying "the killer car for a class" with the idea of one National Championship before it it reclassed may not be a good "investment". :lol: I think the SEB has indicated that the "street" classes are, by definition, all "new" so the 12 month rule applies for all of 2014.

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 Post subject: Re: Street is official
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:43 pm 
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Arthur McDonald wrote:
Ryan Holton wrote:
Despite earlier proposals, there will be no camber allowances via camber plates, bolts or slotting.


Well, that is disappointing.

The October Fastrak has been out for while, so it can't have the results of referenced meeting. I'll wait and read the November issue carefully before I have a conniption about being told to spend more money to go slower.


Art, other than the tires you already have (Rivals) your FStock prep'd Mustang is just as legal for FStreet as it was for FStock . . . which I assume is 100% legal. :D You will have the option of 1" more or less wheel diameter versus whatever was available for your car.

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 Post subject: Re: Street is official
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:40 pm 
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"In addition to the new Street Category, for 2014, the current Stock Category will remain in place and be renamed the Street-R category. All 2013 Stock classes will become Street-R (SR) classes and follow the rules which were in place for Stock at the end of 2013. For 2015, the Street-R category will be reduced to a single class, Super Street R, for high horsepower machines."

So by bye Stock Classes in 2015?
One big class.....is this a paxed class?

So I cannot put crash bolts in the Civic? I can add a bigger front or rear bar?

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 Post subject: Re: Street is official
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:28 pm 
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Steven Spampinato wrote:
"In addition to the new Street Category, for 2014, the current Stock Category will remain in place and be renamed the Street-R category. All 2013 Stock classes will become Street-R (SR) classes and follow the rules which were in place for Stock at the end of 2013. For 2015, the Street-R category will be reduced to a single class, Super Street R, for high horsepower machines."

So by bye Stock Classes in 2015?
One big class.....is this a paxed class?

So I cannot put crash bolts in the Civic? I can add a bigger front or rear bar?

:?


In 2015 there will be one "R" tire "Stock Class - SSR since LOTS of SS folks really pushed hard for an R tire Stock class. It has very high minimum participation numbers for Nats but easily within reach based on their historic participation. There will not be a National SCCA Pax type class for R tires or for the "semi -R" tires which will be legal for "Street". "Street" classes will be mostly the current "Stock" classes with some adjustments. The RT classes (RTA, RTR, RTF) will be gone in 2014 and beyond since they became redundant with the Street classes.

As I posted above, there are no changes to the suspension rules for Street compared to Stock. The only change is the plus/minus rim diameter option. Therefore, if Honda does't offer camber bolts then your only allowed changes are the front OR rear bar change and the wheel diameter change.

Question: Does THSCC intend to continue the Tire classes for the SP, SM, P, and M classes since most participants in Tire seem to be from "Stock" and they now have their own "Street" classes?

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 Post subject: Re: Street is official
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:03 pm 
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DickRasmussen wrote:

Question: Does THSCC intend to continue the Tire classes for the SP, SM, P, and M classes since most participants in Tire seem to be from "Stock" and they now have their own "Street" classes?

It's under discussion but either no or if we keep the larger RT class then stock cars run with street pax values and non stock cars run with 2% discount.

Mike Licursi made a good point against the 2.5% discount: an RT-BSP s2000 has a lesser pax than STR with 2.5%.

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 Post subject: Re: Street is official
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:30 pm 
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JamesShort wrote:
DickRasmussen wrote:

Question: Does THSCC intend to continue the Tire classes for the SP, SM, P, and M classes since most participants in Tire seem to be from "Stock" and they now have their own "Street" classes?

It's under discussion but either no or if we keep the larger RT class then stock cars run with street pax values and non stock cars run with 2% discount.

Mike Licursi made a good point against the 2.5% discount: an RT-BSP s2000 has a lesser pax than STR with 2.5%.


It doesn't impact me but for 2014 every "stock R" class car will have a "Street" class to run in which assumes "Tire" legal tires (i.e. 140 TW in 2014 and 200 in 2015). Rick Ruth will come up with some Pax number for each class. Whether it is an across the board discount (.975 for example) or whether, as some recent testing indicates, it should vary depending on the power level of the class with high powered cars needing a bigger discount may still be up in the air. The RT index classes will be gone from SCCA.

That leaves SP, P, SM, and M (DM and EM being the only relevant Mod classes since A, B, C, and K really don't have street tire options even if we wanted to do so). How big a group is this and do "they" care?

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