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Also being 2 driver is definitely an advantage in the rain/cold events. The tires on the Miata are trash until I get a ton of heat into them.

If we're going to make this as something that is available to everyone a tool is going to need to be written to do run group assignments. AXware has no support for anything remotely like this unless we potentially double the number of classes with things like STOSTR so we can assign them to the extra run group. I don't think it's a terribly hard tool to write, assuming the data can be dumped out of AXware easily, but it will save a ton of headaches with making sure the run groups are at least somewhat even.

True, but short of banning 2-driver cars, there is nothing that can be done to mitigate this. It is just the way it is.


Easy: we'll have two entries for each driver, like STR86 and STO86. Time Only will not be paxed or anything, it will simply show their raw times.

Edit: Oh, I see what you're saying with regard to run groups. Yes, we will have to address this...

This whole thing will be discussed by the officers soon and we will decide what the best route will be to take.

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I don't know how many people would be interested in STO, I only represent myself as being interested. I certainly see how it could get out of hand from a classing perspective, and most definitely think "double classing" is way far afield from where this should go. STO could be restricted to "active autocross club members" or only 10 available slots or "prior approval from VPs" or some such thing as that.

If there is a lot of demand, then by it's negative corollary there are a lot of people willing to work extra and pay extra, right? To me in my limited experience that doesn't seem to be the case, so i suspect at most 5-10 people would want to pull double-duty for extra runs.

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...or in addition a mandatory minimum donation ($100?) to the V-foundation for the JimmyV autocross.

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If it's going to be limited it should be a lottery or purely first come/first serve. It's intimidating enough to new people coming in and being multiple seconds off the mark, not knowing many people/anyone and generally having no clue about what's going on. Then to add on top some special perks that are available to the 'old boys club' puts a bad taste in my mouth.

Yeah, the exclusivity/favorites aspect will probably not be a driving force for having return customers, especially novices.

It's possible to do it, but each approach has some headaches for downsides. For example:

If we do it First Come, First Serve, it will have to be after regular registration is done to figure out how many STO entrants we can have. Then if the entire STR brigade decides they want to do STO, and we are doing STO runs with their rungroup... then that heat will be unusually long, and this compounds into even more headaches.

Just looking at it from logistics perspective, I think extended fun runs will be the easiest to implement.

Firstly, "old boy's club" is sexist. Get with the times!

Secondly, there is no "perk" as one has to double the cost/event and work effort/event. Additionally, I perceive STO as an "added value" to being a member of Tarheel, not some secret society. My preference is to have as many want extra runs in STO to get them, so long as they pay double and work double. Who would turn down extra money and extra workers?

Thirdly, I offered limiting STO entries in response to your concerns about having extra workers. It is not my favored solution.

I am pretty sure that if you offer STO during online registration and allow NO onsite STO entrants, it will give you a better idea for how to manage worker flow and numbers.

Extended fun runs is a bad idea because there is no guarantee of getting them...It's often decided during the last run group when everyone's hot/tired/sunburned etc. The point of STO is to make a way for THSCC members to improve autocross skills in an effort to get ready for Tours/Pro/Nationals. I think it would look favorably on the club if it offered explicit concrete support for its members who wish to pursue this goal.

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If it was a pre-registration thing, I can definitely see it working.

I would also do double work for double runs.

Also, double working aside, if I get to an event early enough I am happy to run around with a broom sweeping. Does the club have multiple push brooms?

I'm sure the last heat workers will be thrilled to know they're staying 45 minutes later into the day so a handful of people can get extra runs. At least with fun runs only the people who are getting extra runs have to work longer into the day.

yup, one for each hand. We actually have a 3rd, but not sure how you'll use that at the same time.... =)

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With the proposed STO entries this would be just like a normal registration, including being subject to late registration fees, etc. We would have to know ahead of time so we can plan run groups accordingly. Nobody would be stuck working extra during the last heat or anything like that. From the standpoint of registration, worker coordination, and gridding procedure, it would be just like a 2-driver car; the codriver would just instead be your alter ego. The only difference would be the worker coordinator must make sure the STO and regular entries run in the same group, and sign up and report to work two shifts.

I will add that this is all unofficial at this point and subject to change. We will have an official policy in time for the next event. Does anyone object to this from a competition standpoint, provided the drivers pay twice, work twice, and do all their STO runs after their competition runs?

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As I read this thread I kept thinking "fun runs", then Andrew mentioned it. Seems a lot simpler, and we used to have them a lot back in the early 2000's, like 50% of events or so, and I only feel a little hotter and more tired than I did back then True, they would not be guaranteed but if offered I would participate.

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