Adopting a new idea for more entries?

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:30 pm

It sounds like we may have a need for a few more mandatory worker assignments: morning cleaner/sweeper crew and post-event course clean-up workers. Both assignments make the events more enjoyable for first run group and more efficient for the Bus crew at the end of the day. My STO idea can deliver at least one person (me), and hopefully a few more people willing to do these jobs, and will pay extra $ for it, in exchange for more driving time.

I think this idea works.

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:30 pm

Rob Keehner wrote:

Why not skip the drivers meeting bs and have the track open for 30 minutes for lapping. If you hit a cone you lose a timed run. Put minimal workers out for it.

Personally I'd like to see the club return to a more customer focused approach. Meaning sweeping the course and blowing all the dust off so all the run groups have a fair shake. Tossing cones out and saying go at Danville is not acceptable for the first group. This can be an official worker assignment.

Cool, Rob volunteered, now prepare to work your ass off for nothing. You can't sweep enough to make a difference. Hell I remember we rented an actual powered sweeper one time and the general consensus was that it made it worse.

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:53 pm

I volunteer to begin course cleaning runs using Ryan's car for a continuous hour from 6:30 to 7:30am.

Andrew Jonell · **Joined:** Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:43 pm **Posts:** 1350

Chuck Branscomb wrote:

I volunteer to begin course cleaning runs using Ryan's car for a continuous hour from 6:30 to 7:30am.

As worker coordinator, I will make it so.

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:28 pm

Chuck Branscomb wrote:

I volunteer to begin course cleaning runs using Ryan's car for a continuous hour from 6:30 to 7:30am.

As long as I get your car for a hour, deal. You do have insurance for falling asleep at the wheel, right?

As for the sweeping with a broom, its a thimble bailing out a boat, there is always more water no matter how hard you work.

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:35 pm

Ryan Holton wrote:

As for the sweeping with a broom, its a thimble bailing out a boat, there is always more water no matter how hard you work.

Where there's a will, there's a way?

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:45 pm

I don't see running early and "cleaning" the course as that big a deal. Unless you are really concerned about your position in the overall PAX values (which can be course dependency influenced much more than a dirty course), everyone in your class should be on the course during the same heat, so the conditions are the same.

That said, rotating what cars run what heat for each event would equalize the playing field for the year on a PAX perspective.

I don't remember when Ryan rented a street sweeper, but I remember doing it in 2002-2003 time frame for Sanford. It was an awful job and in the end, I too think it made it worse. - AB

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:00 pm

Aaron Buckley wrote:

I don't remember when Ryan rented a street sweeper, but I remember doing it in 2002-2003 time frame for Sanford. It was an awful job and in the end, I too think it made it worse. - AB

That's the time I was referring to. It sure as hell didn't make it better.

JamesMilko · **Posted:** Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:25 pm

Aaron Buckley wrote:

That said, rotating what cars run what heat for each event would equalize the playing field for the year on a PAX perspective.

Rob brought it up to me that stock has run first for the last few events so I'm going to make sure they get a later run group at the next few events. The way AXware does run group assignments makes it very easy for Jonell and me to keep things roughly the same way as they were last event. It's also very unlikely that we'd notice something like that as well. So, if your class always runs first/second/third and you're tired of it let us know.

If we do 'sweep' the course we should try it with a leaf blower. Unfortunately, mine is electric so it's pretty useless at an AX.

Zach Hill · **Posted:** Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:08 am

If a person wanted to run their regular class and then get another set of runs in STO (and not count the times for the day), what if they did the STO runs in their normal run group and were treated as a two-driver car? Wouldn't get an advantage for that day in competition, would get twice the runs, and shouldn't really put any more strain on the workers. Have the STO person receive an extra "special" work assignment, like cleaning the course or something else. Win/win?

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:14 pm

Zach Hill wrote:

If a person wanted to run their regular class and then get another set of runs in STO (and not count the times for the day), what if they did the STO runs in their normal run group and were treated as a two-driver car? Wouldn't get an advantage for that day in competition, would get twice the runs, and shouldn't really put any more strain on the workers. Have the STO person receive an extra "special" work assignment, like cleaning the course or something else. Win/win?

^^^That's a great idea, Mr AutoX VP--especially for the three run group scneario. :thumbsup:

Make it so! (It would be helpful to still record times for comparison purposes, as they would be registered as a driver in STO so as not to mess up AXWare too much)

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:04 pm

Zach Hill wrote:

If a person wanted to run their regular class and then get another set of runs in STO (and not count the times for the day), what if they did the STO runs in their normal run group and were treated as a two-driver car? Wouldn't get an advantage for that day in competition, would get twice the runs, and shouldn't really put any more strain on the workers. Have the STO person receive an extra "special" work assignment, like cleaning the course or something else. Win/win?

If you want to drive twice, then you should work twice. It shouldn't be a "special" work assignment either.

Also, I fail to see how the workers aren't working harder/longer. If 5 people in the same heat opt for the extra runs those workers now get to be out there for an extra 25 runs (assume 5 runs), that's probably an extra 10-15 minutes. For those workers, that could mean the difference between dry runs and wet runs when an afternoon shower rolls through.

I think there would be reasonable demand for "two events" in one day. Run an AM event, break for lunch, and run a PM event. If you want to run them both, then by all means do two events (and pay twice). If you want to sleep late, then do that and just run the PM event. Want to be home in time to mow the yard, then run the AM event.

BUT, there are specialized jobs that people do (timing and scoring) which will be required for both events, and we need officers onsite for both events. That means more work for the folks who actually make things work, and I'm not sure any of them really want more work.

Zach Hill · **Posted:** Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:08 pm

Scott Johnson wrote:

Also, I fail to see how the workers aren't working harder/longer. If 5 people in the same heat opt for the extra runs those workers now get to be out there for an extra 25 runs (assume 5 runs), that's probably an extra 10-15 minutes. For those workers, that could mean the difference between dry runs and wet runs when an afternoon shower rolls through.

You're right, I wasn't thinking this through. The STO drivers would need to work two regular shifts.

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:15 pm

And workers would be working longer if we had 100 vs 95 drivers...it makes no difference if it is the same driver driving twice (and paying twice, and working twice--hence in essence one person acting as two different drivers) or two completely different drivers.

There is no special consideration here. Only an allowance for a driver to double their workload, double their registration fee in exchange for double the seat time.

I thought we had been concerned about dropping participation and decreasing interest...I am suggesting that a way to mitigate this is to allow people to sign up as two (from AXWare'sperspective) drivers, one for classing and one for STO.

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:17 pm

Zach Hill wrote:

Scott Johnson wrote:

Also, I fail to see how the workers aren't working harder/longer. If 5 people in the same heat opt for the extra runs those workers now get to be out there for an extra 25 runs (assume 5 runs), that's probably an extra 10-15 minutes. For those workers, that could mean the difference between dry runs and wet runs when an afternoon shower rolls through.

You're right, I wasn't thinking this through. The STO drivers would need to work two regular shifts.

As an example, if I run STO/STR in a three run group scenario I would then:

Work group 1,
Drive STR runs in group 2, change class to STO, drive STO runs
Work group 3

Pay twice, work twice, drive twice. Only STR runs, done before STO runs, count for points/magnets/whatever

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