Points #3 --NCCAR

Cash Davidson · **Posted:** Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:18 am

Great event and huge fun. The best site for spectating for sure - had the best time watching everyone run. The Mazda6 went from crazy loose to pushing like a plow truck after changing the RSB from 27mm to 19mm. Absolutely would not rotate. Guess I need to find a 22 or 24mm.

Bill Aycock · **Joined:** Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:55 pm **Posts:** 117

A point to whomever is finalizing the scoring: When last I checked the wireless yesterday, I was being credited with an early run that was not mine. That run was a 47.xxx and was showing as my first run. My first run was a 51.5xx +1. My final run was a 51.21xx. By the end of the day, my last run had been bumped from the scorecard as it looked like I had received a 5th run. (I was RTDS 22.)

As much as I'd like to take credit for that first run, I can't and somebody is likely happy to claim it.

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:40 am

Cash, There's a great spreadsheet program on FarNorthRacing's website that allows you to input all your car's variables, then tells you the front/rear rolll stiffness, roll couple, and whether/how much understeer or oversteer tendency there will be based on your input variables. I made one myself from a few books I have, which I can email you if you'd like, but it's not nearly as slick as FNR's.

http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets16.html

JamesShort · **Posted:** Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:47 am

Bill Aycock wrote:

A point to whomever is finalizing the scoring: When last I checked the wireless yesterday, I was being credited with an early run that was not mine. That run was a 47.xxx and was showing as my first run. My first run was a 51.5xx +1. My final run was a 51.21xx. By the end of the day, my last run had been bumped from the scorecard as it looked like I had received a 5th run. (I was RTDS 22.)

As much as I'd like to take credit for that first run, I can't and somebody is likely happy to claim it.

I'm sure the audit caught this, we'll see when the results are published.

Cash Davidson · **Posted:** Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:00 am

Steven Carter wrote:

Cash, There's a great spreadsheet program on FarNorthRacing's website that allows you to input all your car's variables, then tells you the front/rear rolll stiffness, roll couple, and whether/how much understeer or oversteer tendency there will be based on your input variables. I made one myself from a few books I have, which I can email you if you'd like, but it's not nearly as slick as FNR's.

http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets16.html

Wow, that's very cool. Thanks, Steven! I'll play around with it to see what it can tell me. I knew the 19mm was going to be too soft (but it was the only other bar I had), So I cut the ends off and welded slots on that allowed me to shorten the arm length and increase the roll resistance by 25%.

Here's the 27mm and my modified 19mm - even when adjusted to it's stiffest setting it was still not enough.

I'm gonna check what size bar is on my wife's Fusion. :mrgreen:

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:21 am

Grasshopper vs Sensei

http://youtu.be/NoXGcwrt130

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:15 pm

JamesShort wrote:

Bill Aycock wrote:

A point to whomever is finalizing the scoring: When last I checked the wireless yesterday, I was being credited with an early run that was not mine. That run was a 47.xxx and was showing as my first run. My first run was a 51.5xx +1. My final run was a 51.21xx. By the end of the day, my last run had been bumped from the scorecard as it looked like I had received a 5th run. (I was RTDS 22.)

As much as I'd like to take credit for that first run, I can't and somebody is likely happy to claim it.

I'm sure the audit caught this, we'll see when the results are published.

We did catch one error....I believe that was it.

Zach Hill · **Posted:** Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:36 pm

Results:

Raw
Pax
Class

Looks like Bill's run is correct.

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:46 pm

Zach Hill wrote:

Results:

Raw
Pax
Class

Looks like Bill's run is correct.

No RT PAX adjustments? I thought there was some factor multiplied times PAX indexes for RT cars.

Andrew Jonell · **Joined:** Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:43 pm **Posts:** 1350

There is, it's 2 or 2.5%

e: but it looks like it wasn't adjusted weird

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:57 pm

Andrew Jonell wrote:

There is, it's 2 or 2.5%

It's not shown in the results though. It was for the last event, but from what I can tell, this event was scored with all the RT cars using regular PAX index values.

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

Odd, we'll have to check it. Did Chuck just take FTP?

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:05 pm

BriceJohnson wrote:

Odd, we'll have to check it. Did Chuck just take FTP?

Maybe, what is the factor? 2 or 2.5%? I was looking at Shawn vs Keith when I realized that RTCS and CS were showing the same PAX multiplier.

RobLupella · **Posted:** Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:06 pm

Chuck Branscomb wrote:

BriceJohnson wrote:

Odd, we'll have to check it. Did Chuck just take FTP?

Maybe, what is the factor? 2 or 2.5%? I was looking at Shawn vs Keith when I realized that RTCS and CS were showing the same PAX multiplier.

PAX Sucks

JamesShort · **Posted:** Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:20 pm

Yup, Chuck should be 37.8xx and FTP, congrats.

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