Novice Class question

Brett_Murphy · **Joined:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:02 pm **Posts:** 355

I was wondering why Noah's RX-8 (which is STX) has a more advantageous PAX than my car (which is 100% sock with crappy all seasons on it) in Cstock. So, I went ahead and read the SCAA car class rules (and got a headache). Is there some nuance of the rules that I've missed? It seems like the stock class allows no preparation, but has a better PAX.

I must admit that I am completely confused now.

Brett

JohnByers · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:49 pm

Because you can bolt on R comps in stock class

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

you can register for RT and get a 2% PAX discount though if you are on street tires.

JohnByers · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:08 pm

BriceJohnson wrote:

you can register for RT and get a 2% PAX discount though if you are on street tires.

exactly. What I'm doing this year...

Bill Aycock · **Joined:** Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:55 pm **Posts:** 117

Interesting. So from a PAX standpoint, in stock class you are treated as though you are running R-comps, even if you are not?

Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:30 pm

Exactly Bill. One way to always look at PAX is that it is devised through the large nationwide SCCA events and based on the fastest cars of each class' finishers through the year. So, that's why you'll hear folks say 'pax sucks' because their cars aren't up to the very, very top level of build. :wink:

The RT class has the 2% discount due to being on 'road tires' that are over 140 (I think) treadwear.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:34 pm

Brett_Murphy wrote:

I was wondering why Noah's RX-8 (which is STX) has a more advantageous PAX than my car (which is 100% sock with crappy all seasons on it) in Cstock. So, I went ahead and read the SCAA car class rules (and got a headache). Is there some nuance of the rules that I've missed? It seems like the stock class allows no preparation, but has a better PAX.

I must admit that I am completely confused now.

Brett

Yes, ST* classes actually make your car slower, even with all the suspension and exhaust and ecu tuning etc....all because of street tires vs rcomps.

Brett_Murphy · **Joined:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:02 pm **Posts:** 355

Ok, so I screwed myself in the PAX by saying my car was all stock because it was assumed I was going tire crazy.

I guess my car is now in STX. :lol:

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

RT C-stock PAX = .834 x .98 = .817
STX PAX = .827

Register for RT class and you will have a better PAX.

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:50 pm

Brett_Murphy wrote:

I went ahead and read the SCAA car class rules (and got a headache). Is there some nuance of the rules that I've missed? It seems like the stock class allows no preparation, but has a better PAX.

Welcome to the worst part of autocrossing, figuring out the damn rules. :thumbsup:

Brett_Murphy · **Joined:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:02 pm **Posts:** 355

Is there a Novice Street tire class, like there was for Novice C-Stock? Sorry for the probably basic questions, the rules are a bit more complicated than they are in rallycross.

Zach Hill · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:33 pm

Brett_Murphy wrote:

Is there a Novice Street tire class, like there was for Novice C-Stock? Sorry for the probably basic questions, the rules are a bit more complicated than they are in rallycross.

Nope. Novice is a class category just like RT. Your best bet would be to run your ST* class in NOV for the best pax.

Brett_Murphy · **Joined:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:02 pm **Posts:** 355

Street tire novice, got it.

I think I'll paint that on my car so I remember it.

noahfleming · **Posted:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:03 am

Brett_Murphy wrote:

Street tire novice, got it.

I think I'll paint that on my car so I remember it.

What Zach said was to run your ST* class, which would be STX (street touring extreme). Once you are out of Novice class you can run other classes like RT or open STX, CS, etc.

Brett_Murphy · **Joined:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:02 pm **Posts:** 355

Are RT and ST the same thing?

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