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 Post subject: Re: Novice Class question
PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:21 pm 
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OK, that's it. Marcus now has to run in NOV.


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 Post subject: Re: Novice Class question
PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:30 pm 
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MarcusMcRae wrote:
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<class where R comps are allowed, but drivers elect to use street tires with TW>140>


Okay, now I'm confused. Why are you allowing r-comps in a tire class.


better?

Also, there is no"Street Tire." There is Road Tire and Street Touring. It's pretty confusing, for sure....

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 Post subject: Re: Novice Class question
PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:36 pm 
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Obviously I have not been reading all the very interesting discusions about classing this year.

STR it is.

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 Post subject: Re: Novice Class question
PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:58 am 
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James was being a computer nerd. His <class where r comps are allowed> was intended to mean you insert the name of a class where r comps are allowed in its place, such as C-stock, BSP, E prepared, etc.

Marcus, you have to run STR or RT BSP with your wider front wheels.

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 Post subject: Re: Novice Class question
PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:16 am 
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BriceJohnson wrote:
James was being a computer nerd. His <class where r comps are allowed> was intended to mean you insert the name of a class where r comps are allowed in its place, such as C-stock, BSP, E prepared, etc.

Marcus, you have to run STR or RT BSP with your wider front wheels.

Yeah, it's blowing my mind how complicated this TIR category to RT category is becoming.

Better worded: Nothing has changed except TIR->RT as an alias and a 2% PAX discount. That's it. TIR class was not complicated, why is this?

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 Post subject: Re: Novice Class question
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JamesShort wrote:
TIR class was not complicated, why is this?


I sort of agree. Wouldn't it just be easier to say that TIR has been renamed to Road Tire (RT)? Basically the same rules apply, every class car is welcomed except the ST* classes because the 2% discount wouldn't be 'fair' as the class is based on running on 'streets anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Novice Class question
PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:19 am 
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The hardest part of autocross: Reading the Rulebook.

(Marcus, I was just giving you grief for making the novice thread a classing thread :P )


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 Post subject: Re: Novice Class question
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Andrew Jonell wrote:

(Marcus, I was just giving you grief for making the novice thread a classing thread :P )


How's the Mazda running? :)

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 Post subject: Re: Novice Class question
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Great. Now I just need to get it back from LRR (8 days and counting).


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 Post subject: Re: Novice Class question
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Andrew Jonell wrote:
Great. Now I just need to get it back from LRR (8 days and counting).


I don't believe it.

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 Post subject: Re: Novice Class question
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OK, you got me. I'm giving up about 10-12whp by not having a full exhaust. That's why I ordered a header-back yesterday. :P

Wait a minute... you're ending your derail by making me derail! Devious.


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 Post subject: Re: Novice Class question
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If my thread goes further off the rails, I will phrase all further questions as though I am Zooey talking to Siri:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP1YAatv1Mc


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 Post subject: Re: Novice Class question
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noahfleming wrote:
Brett_Murphy wrote:
Are RT and ST the same thing?

Nope!

RT = Road Tire (previously TIRE Class) This is a PAX class, such as NOV.
ST* = Street Touring * (STR, STX, STU, STS, STC, STF, etc). These are Open, none PAX classes.

I'm not sure if it helps or hurts to remember what we had 15 years ago:
STS was "Street Touring, Street tire"
STR was "Street Touring, Race tire"
...and I think THSCC had these classes for a couple of years before the SCCA made them national classes.

STR went away for lack of participation. (If you want to race your street car, why do you want to put race tires on it?)
Around 2001 a certain guy tried to get THSCC to abolish the TIR class, because the SCCA wasn't using it. (Yeah, that's a good reason...)

In 2006, at the Pan-Am region of the SCCA, some d!@#head decided that Street Touring cars could race in their TIR class...another bozo trying to get rid of TIR, in this case by sabotaging it.

In summer of 2009, I'd just divorced a b!tch that tried to keep me out of autocross, and I didn't have a "U" to go with my "ST", because I hadn't raced that car before. I thought I could just put "ST" on the car, and surely nobody would be confused.

Then, come to find out "ST" is actually a class now, and instead of explaining it to me, some little twerp protested me. (It could only go down that way at an SCCA event. :thumbsdown: )

Now, the SCCA made a version of our TIR class... Tell me again why we should copy them?

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