results from 10/21/2012...

JamesShort · **Posted:** Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:29 pm

We only hit around 115-120 degF on the RS3s....easy for Jeremy to clean.

Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:31 pm

MarcusMcRae wrote:

Ryan Holton wrote:

8 total participants in Stock class split amongst 3 classes. My ohhh my how times changed....

Why do you care?

Sounds like an easy button excuse, but it's the economy and R-comp price$ I'd imagine.... plus 16 str cars. :shock:

+1 on Ram kicking several S2000 arses! Well done sir.

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:52 pm

MarcusMcRae wrote:

Ryan Holton wrote:

8 total participants in Stock class split amongst 3 classes. My ohhh my how times changed....

Why do you care?

U Mad bro?

It's called and observation, I make them from time to time.

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:08 pm

Ryan Holton wrote:

8 total participants in Stock class split amongst 3 classes. My ohhh my how times changed....

Ryan,

Jackie and I recently ran the North-South challenge Buccaneer Region SCCA autox at Roebling Road a couple of weekends ago, and I had that same thought process there -- actually my thought was "wow, stock classes are history it seems." There were 71 cars entered and only 6 were stock class cars. Times are definitely changing it would appear.

MarcusMcRae · **Posted:** Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:47 pm

Ryan Holton wrote:

MarcusMcRae wrote:

Ryan Holton wrote:

8 total participants in Stock class split amongst 3 classes. My ohhh my how times changed....

Why do you care?

U Mad bro?

It's called and observation, I make them from time to time.

Like I said, I was just curious. I thought it must have some significance to you for you to take the time to post about it.

RamVennam · **Joined:** Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 132

Thanks Zach and Matt. I was pushing on my first couple of runs, but after adjusting my tire pressures, it felt great.

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:56 am

MarcusMcRae wrote:

Like I said, I was just curious. I thought it must have some significance to you for you to take the time to post about it.

I just find things like that interesting. When I started 15 years ago, there were lots of stock car, few SP, few P cars and NO street tire classes. Now there are few Stock car, few SP cars and everyone else is rocking street tires in TIRE or a ST* class.

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:30 am

Ryan Holton wrote:

MarcusMcRae wrote:

Like I said, I was just curious. I thought it must have some significance to you for you to take the time to post about it.

I just find things like that interesting. When I started 15 years ago, there were lots of stock car, few SP, few P cars and NO street tire classes. Now there are few Stock car, few SP cars and everyone else is rocking street tires in TIRE or a ST* class.

When I started (um, er, well, 37 years ago), there was no such thing as R-comps of course, so stock was street tires which was how it was originally intended -- to allow someone to drive to the event and be competitive. Imagine if they had said, ok, we'll allow slick race tires in stock class back then...it would have destroyed the sport imo. There were only two other classes of cars back then: prepared and modified. Street prepared wasn't going to be around for another 6-7 years yet. So race tires were at home in those two and stock was, well, stock. First came the Phoenix Stahlflex 3011 in the late 70s (full tread tire, just sticky), but it took until ~1981/82 for Yokohama to produce the A-001R which was basically the first R-comp tire although it was molded with full street tread (just had a sticky compound), and the downhill path that eventually led to full slick super sticky races tires being called "stock" had begun...

DickRasmussen · **Posted:** Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:34 am

Ryan Holton wrote:

MarcusMcRae wrote:

Like I said, I was just curious. I thought it must have some significance to you for you to take the time to post about it.

I just find things like that interesting. When I started 15 years ago, there were lots of stock car, few SP, few P cars and NO street tire classes. Now there are few Stock car, few SP cars and everyone else is rocking street tires in TIRE or a ST* class.

When I started in 1969 . . . things were much different. :lol:

At Nationals this year there were about 236 Stock drivers and 250 ST drivers.

There were also 77 drivers in the indexed experimental/provisional NO National Championship Road Tire classes (stock on street tires).

The other half of the over 1100 entries was spread among street prepared, prepared, modified including FSAE and KM, and junior karts.

I'm reasonably sure that the winning FWD Road Tire car (Mini) was driven from San Francisco on the tires.

Road Tire Stock will be interesting to watch since it really goes back to what things were like before the "R Tires" showed up in the early 80's (Yokohama A001R). VERY expensive street tires (my Michelin XWX's were $150 each in 1976 in size 195/70 X 14).

DickRasmussen · **Posted:** Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:46 am

Chuck Branscomb wrote:

When I started (um, er, well, 37 years ago),

First came the Phoenix Stahlflex 3011 in the late 70s (full tread tire, just sticky),

Youngster. :lol:

Would you believe that the Phoenix wasn't as sticky as my Michelin XWX's? In fact when I went from the Datsun Z to a Lotus Europa the only available 13 inch sticky tire was the Stahlflex . . . it was slow compared to the XWX on the Z.

There were special sticky tires in those days which resulted in the exclusion list.

Much of the time I changed tires at the events even in those days (and I only lived 30 minutes from the most used site). The problem was there was a tread depth minimum of 2/32 and the tires didn't really work until about 4/32. At $600 a set tire preservation was important when my salary was around $1K per month.

In those days in Northern California there was a very popular class called Prepared Stock. Think ST prep levels but with a choice of wide street tires on wider wheels or real racing slicks on stock wheels. The FAST combo used the slicks. I used to run this class also either in a friend's Z or my own depending on the plan for the season.

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:17 am

Yeah, I remember the XWX well. The first time I ever saw that tire was on a Ferrari Daytona in the early 70s. I had read so much about it that I was just almost as happy to see the tire as the car.

Michelin is an outstanding tire company. The new Pilot Super Sports are incredible street tires and beat even the Star Specs in recent C&D/Tirerack tests by a good bit. (disclaimer -- Jackie just started a job with Michelin a couple of months ago down in Greenville as a tire performance engineer). We've had some good results autocrossing the PSS this summer. Now that I've learned more about how it's manufactured, I'm even more impressed. There are some good youtube videos about it made by Michelin.

MarcusMcRae · **Posted:** Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:12 am

Ryan Holton wrote:

MarcusMcRae wrote:

Like I said, I was just curious. I thought it must have some significance to you for you to take the time to post about it.

I just find things like that interesting. When I started 15 years ago, there were lots of stock car, few SP, few P cars and NO street tire classes. Now there are few Stock car, few SP cars and everyone else is rocking street tires in TIRE or a ST* class.

Should be interesting to see how RT shakes out over the next couple of years. I know I won't be picking up the R comp crack pipe any time soon.

Anyone running RTR next year?

JamesShort · **Posted:** Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:17 am

MarcusMcRae wrote:

Ryan Holton wrote:

MarcusMcRae wrote:

Like I said, I was just curious. I thought it must have some significance to you for you to take the time to post about it.

I just find things like that interesting. When I started 15 years ago, there were lots of stock car, few SP, few P cars and NO street tire classes. Now there are few Stock car, few SP cars and everyone else is rocking street tires in TIRE or a ST* class.

Should be interesting to see how RT shakes out over the next couple of years. I know I won't be picking up the R comp crack pipe any time soon.

Anyone running RTR next year?

THSCC is likely not moving to RTF/RTR/RTA

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

DickRasmussen wrote:

VERY expensive street tires (my Michelin XWX's were $150 each in 1976 in size 195/70 X 14).

Holy crap, that as an expensive tire in 1976, relatively makes my current $325 each tires seem cheap. Couldn't you buy a whole brand new car for $3000 in 1976? I seem to remember my parents buying a brand new Corolla in '76 and it costing around $3000.

MarcusMcRae · **Posted:** Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:50 am

Why not? Tire class conflict?

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