results from 7/21/2012...

Emmie Fisher · **Posted:** Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:06 pm

are up.

Thanks to everyone who came out to support a great cause! Looked like the post-event party was a grand "family" affair.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:26 pm

Day two times............. woweeeeee!!!

JamesMilko · **Posted:** Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:14 pm

Thanks for getting these up so fast.

Poor Les, coned away 2 FTDs.

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

JamesMilko wrote:

Thanks for getting these up so fast.

Poor Les, coned away 2 FTDs.

Yeah, Liz and I felt really bad for him.

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

Kevin Allen wrote:

JamesMilko wrote:

Thanks for getting these up so fast.

Poor Les, coned away 2 FTDs.

Yeah, Liz and I felt really bad for him.

Yeah funny how the course worker's weren't the ones who reported my DNF cone encounter with the finish cone but it was you and Liz who did, funny indeed. Thanks.

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

Les Davis wrote:

Kevin Allen wrote:

JamesMilko wrote:

Thanks for getting these up so fast.

Poor Les, coned away 2 FTDs.

Yeah, Liz and I felt really bad for him.

Yeah funny how the course worker's weren't the ones who reported my DNF cone encounter with the finish cone but it was you and Liz who did, funny indeed. Thanks.

Yeah, but they came up to us afterward and said they saw that, but weren't sure whether it was a DNF or not, so they didn't call it in. Looks like we need to explain the cone rules a little better.

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:09 am

It has always been my understanding that if you "hit" either the start or finish cones, and regardless of what effect is acting on the cone after the hit, it's an automatic DNF and this is always pointed out in the drivers meeting. Normal cone rules don't apply based on what I've been told.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:11 am

RodneyWright wrote:

It has always been my understanding that if you "hit" either the start or finish cones, and regardless of what effect is acting on the cone after the hit, it's an automatic DNF and this is always pointed out in the drivers meeting. Normal cone rules don't apply based on what I've been told.

This is correct. Even a 'brush' with the big finish cones gets you a DNF per our normal rules.

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

Kevin Allen wrote:

Yeah, but they came up to us afterward and said they saw that, but weren't sure whether it was a DNF or not, so they didn't call it in. Looks like we need to explain the cone rules a little better.

I'm callin BS on this one.

The right call was made, if he brushed the cone, he brushed the cone and its a DNF. I'm not sure how I feel about people who are NOT working the course pointing out cone calls, but I suppose if its the correct call its the correct call. If the course workers were truly unsure, why didn't they ask the bus?

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

Calling BS on what? If it's the fact that Mitch Moore came up to us and told us that they saw it but didn't call it in, then why don't you ask him about it?

If it's something else, then what? It's not clear from your wording.

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

BTW, if Les hadn't greeted Liz with "You will not beat me today" Sunday morning, in lieu of "Hello, Liz," I probably wouldn't have been so adamant that she go over to the bus to make sure the DNF got called, and I probably wouldn't have clapped for Les when he finished up with cones and/or slower times. But you GOTTA stand up for your woman when somebody issues a challenge like that.

:lol:

You just better make sure you bring your A-game to the drag strip, Les, because I'm throwing some more parts at her car.

Zach Hill · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:59 am

I've always been told that touching the big start or finish cones is a DNF. However, this makes it a subjective matter, since sometimes you can barely notice if a car nudged a cone slightly. That's probably why the standard cone rule only counts a penalty when the cone is out of the box or knocked down, since it's very clear. One course worker could "see" a cone wiggle slightly, while another worker might not see it at all. If it's a tiny nudge, that's not really a problem. IMHO, calling DNFs on the big cones opens a can of worms and proper penalty calls being made will depend widely on who is working that area of the course and how attentive they are.

If SCCA doesn't use the auto-DNF-on-start-or-finish-cones rule, I don't think we shouldn't either.

If the motivation is to make people extra cautious at the start and finish, we can surely reprimand novice drivers who get near them and encourage safety without assessing penalties.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:21 pm

Zach Hill wrote:

If the motivation is to make people extra cautious at the start and finish, we can surely reprimand novice drivers who get near them and encourage safety without assessing penalties.

There is such a fine line where a competitive, non-novice can push it just a nudge harder to race towards a finish line and result in snap oversteer or drift that takes out timing wire AND a timing head. Yes they cost a nice chunk of change and yes we will get that money from someone, but potentially having to stop an event because the long wire is damaged and no other wire can reach or if the cutting of the timing head/wire causes the timing box to short out and fubar or if a finish requires the 'good' laser due to the width of the finish and the other backups don't work reliably, then the lack of caution of a single driver and ruin an entire event and just just don't have the money to have all the insane fail safes that the SCCA have.

I think having severe penalties about the finish cones/timing equipment is quite warranted in a grassroots org like ours (granted I feel that course designers should ALWAYS keep this in mind....not that this weekend is a bad example by any means).

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:44 pm

I've always felt that this rule was a good call for the club. Stay off of the big cones or pay the price w/ the DNF. I think having this in the back of your mind is the only good way to keep you off of the cones and away from the timing equipment.

I think we can put this one to bed. Hit the S/F cones and you lose your time for that run.

Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:52 pm

I'm cool with the rule and don't really care if it stays or changes. But if you're hauling a- and hit one of those big cones, you should be more concerned about your bumper than a DNF. It was probably just made as a "slow down through the finish" (heading toward the bus sometimes a la Greenville) and

Besides, a coned run is basically the same thing as a dnf in my book unless it's one of those events that you cone every single run, which I've had the pleasure of doing once.

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