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 Post subject: Autocross the Family Hauler!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:01 pm 
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My wife and I are seriously looking into getting a new Mazda 5. Is the CG low enough on that chassis to take on course? She cannot drive a stick, and I want her to at least experience once what the sport is like. I am pretty dead sure that we will have the car soon.

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 Post subject: Re: Autocross the Family Hauler!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:14 pm 
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I like them as a family hauler. Never owned one, but rented one. Lots of space.

You might also check out the CX-5 it is their replacement for the Tribute

Teach her to shift :-)

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 Post subject: Re: Autocross the Family Hauler!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:34 pm 
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Steven Spampinato wrote:
My wife and I are seriously looking into getting a new Mazda 5. Is the CG low enough on that chassis to take on course? She cannot drive a stick, and I want her to at least experience once what the sport is like. I am pretty dead sure that we will have the car soon.


We owned one for 2 years and only sold it after our "oopsie" 3 child arrived. Great car, love the utility and I thought it handled great for a "mini van" and I recommend them all the time.

From this page here
http://www.automobilemag.com/am/2010/ma ... tests.html

It looks like it JUUUUUUST squeaks by with a SSF rollover rating of 1.3 (AFAIK that's the SCCA limit for stock class). However, it's not classed as far as I can tell.

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 Post subject: Re: Autocross the Family Hauler!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:06 pm 
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Steve, Therese & I had one of these as a rental when I told them I wanted something sporty when her car got sideswipped and we loved it. I consider it a mini minivan. Easiest beach trip packing ever ftw.

Something about that 'new Mazda feel' that I liked along with the Mazda2.

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 Post subject: Re: Autocross the Family Hauler!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:08 pm 
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I drove one as a rental back in January. Hated it. In particular the driving position. I also hated the PT cruiser which had a similar driving position.

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 Post subject: Re: Autocross the Family Hauler!
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I would not worry. Bob Kendrick auto-X'd a Suburban once at the Rocky Mt. airport. I took an E-350 cube van on a fun run at Belk's in Morrisville.

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 Post subject: Re: Autocross the Family Hauler!
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:21 am 
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George Bright wrote:
I would not worry. Bob Kendrick auto-X'd a Suburban once at the Rocky Mt. airport. I took an E-350 cube van on a fun run at Belk's in Morrisville.


Wow...really a E350 in the "Steel Cage?"
That must of been a sight!

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 Post subject: Re: Autocross the Family Hauler!
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We would not allow an E-350 or a suburban if one showed up an event today.

I can say that if you show up to an event I am GMing, I would let a Mazda5 run as long as its on street tires.

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We would not allow an E-350 or a suburban if one showed up an event today.

I can say that if you show up to an event I am GMing, I would let a Mazda5 run as long as its on street tires.


According the SCCA guideline, it would be fine on race tires.

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 Post subject: Re: Autocross the Family Hauler!
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really? OK then, I would let one run on race tires. In the lack of official confirmation that its not on the exclusion list, I would use my best judgement, which tells me pretty much anything is ok on street tires, and very few people are going to show up and run a truck/SUV/Van on race tires. Although I HAVE seen a trailblazer and a Tacoma truck run on race tires before (Trailblazer SS has a classification as ESP and the X-runner is allowed in H-stock). Those cars scared me to watch.

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 Post subject: Re: Autocross the Family Hauler!
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:58 am 
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really? OK then, I would let one run on race tires. In the lack of official confirmation that its not on the exclusion list, I would use my best judgement, which tells me pretty much anything is ok on street tires, and very few people are going to show up and run a truck/SUV/Van on race tires. Although I HAVE seen a trailblazer and a Tacoma truck run on race tires before (Trailblazer SS has a classification as ESP and the X-runner is allowed in H-stock). Those cars scared me to watch.


SCCA Rule Book 3.1 Vehicle Eligibility"Rollover Potential Guidelines wrote:
The SSC has reviewed the allowance of competing cars with higher roll centers and has prepared the following chart to be used as a
guideline for assisting Regional members in determining whether a vehicle has a higher than average potential to roll over in Solo®
competition. Vehicles falling into the acceptance range still have the probability to roll over but they are less likely to roll over than those
that are not in the acceptable range are. One method of assessing rollover resistance, and one level more
sophisticated than the Static Stability Factor (SSF), is using “stability margin”. This idea is that the vehicle’s steady cornering g-level at
which incipient rollover would occur (two wheel lift or 2WL) should exceed the steady cornering g-level provided by the tires (maximum
lateral acceleration or MaxLat) by some margin. This should only be applied to categories for which the Center of Gravity (CG)
height estimation based on roof height could be presumed to be reasonably valid. This chart is for Stock, Street Touring, and Street
Prepared categories vehicles.]An approach of this type is required to help event officials assess the rollover risk potential of vehicles which fall in a gray area between traditional Solo® cars and those which clearly have a “high center of gravity”. While it is imperfect, it should strike a balance between risk reduction and admission of the most vehicles to Solo®
while introducing a consistent procedure for doing so. The chart is for Regional Officials and Technical Inspectors to determine
the acceptance level of high roll center vehicles referred to in Section 3.1. The measurements are to be taken from the ground to
the tallest point of the vehicle for the Overall Vehicle Height and the normal track measurement as stated in the GCR for the Average
Track Width. Vehicles with a SSF less than 1.30 should not be permitted to compete in our Solo® events due to their higher risk of roll over.


The Mazda5 is 1.30 on the money

BTW- I didn't know any of this existed until earlier this year :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Autocross the Family Hauler!
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:02 pm 
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Ryan Holton wrote:
BTW- I didn't know any of this existed until earlier this year :shock:

Yea, the Fiat 500 has made lots of folks read more on this. NCR's been allowing one of their members to run one on R comps at their events. Lots of mumbling, but nothing official as of yet. He's probably fine as long as he doesn't venture out of his own backyard.

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 Post subject: Re: Autocross the Family Hauler!
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:01 am 
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does this mean i can bring dah X?

not that i would but if i were in the neighborhood it could be entertaining.

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 Post subject: Re: Autocross the Family Hauler!
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:30 am 
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Ryan Holton wrote:
BriceJohnson wrote:
really? OK then, I would let one run on race tires. In the lack of official confirmation that its not on the exclusion list, I would use my best judgement, which tells me pretty much anything is ok on street tires, and very few people are going to show up and run a truck/SUV/Van on race tires. Although I HAVE seen a trailblazer and a Tacoma truck run on race tires before (Trailblazer SS has a classification as ESP and the X-runner is allowed in H-stock). Those cars scared me to watch.


SCCA Rule Book 3.1 Vehicle Eligibility"Rollover Potential Guidelines wrote:
The SSC has reviewed the allowance of competing cars with higher roll centers and has prepared the following chart to be used as a
guideline for assisting Regional members in determining whether a vehicle has a higher than average potential to roll over in Solo®
competition. Vehicles falling into the acceptance range still have the probability to roll over but they are less likely to roll over than those
that are not in the acceptable range are. One method of assessing rollover resistance, and one level more
sophisticated than the Static Stability Factor (SSF), is using “stability margin”. This idea is that the vehicle’s steady cornering g-level at
which incipient rollover would occur (two wheel lift or 2WL) should exceed the steady cornering g-level provided by the tires (maximum
lateral acceleration or MaxLat) by some margin. This should only be applied to categories for which the Center of Gravity (CG)
height estimation based on roof height could be presumed to be reasonably valid. This chart is for Stock, Street Touring, and Street
Prepared categories vehicles.]An approach of this type is required to help event officials assess the rollover risk potential of vehicles which fall in a gray area between traditional Solo® cars and those which clearly have a “high center of gravity”. While it is imperfect, it should strike a balance between risk reduction and admission of the most vehicles to Solo®
while introducing a consistent procedure for doing so. The chart is for Regional Officials and Technical Inspectors to determine
the acceptance level of high roll center vehicles referred to in Section 3.1. The measurements are to be taken from the ground to
the tallest point of the vehicle for the Overall Vehicle Height and the normal track measurement as stated in the GCR for the Average
Track Width. Vehicles with a SSF less than 1.30 should not be permitted to compete in our Solo® events due to their higher risk of roll over.


The Mazda5 is 1.30 on the money

BTW- I didn't know any of this existed until earlier this year :shock:


I didn't know it until last week when I was trying to find a valid reason for the wife not to run her new Forester.. and it seems to handle pretty well for a glorified SUV LOL


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 Post subject: Re: Autocross the Family Hauler!
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:15 am 
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she looked like she had fun in it too. In the afternoon session, she was tearing up the untimed course. Her and Anders must have gotten in 20 runs a piece during that session.

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