Autox event #3, SMARTT and NCCAR

JamesShort · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:23 am

Chuck Branscomb wrote:

JamesShort wrote:

The 'track' is wider than Sanford's taxiway by a decent bit and the VDA is wider than Danville's runway by a good bit so having cars coming up and down the sides is no different than Danville, if not safer.

When I drove the track back in January, there was a long double barrier setup along the straight that isolated the VDA/lot from the track. I assume we'd have a straight shot down past that region since that barrier would be one side and some Armco on the other side...

Those barriers are not there for our purposes.

Cash Davidson · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:56 pm

JamesShort wrote:

. . . that would mean that Simon calls us first in January of every year to ask which dates we want for that year

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Uhh . . . all of them!!

This sounds great! I would love to help and participate, but sadly I'll be in Chicago that weekend.

Ya'll have fun - I can't wait to run there. :hyper2:

Zach Hill · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:59 pm

This is excellent!!! :woo:

So awesome that we have found a new venue. Kudos to those who made this happen. :thumbsup:

Does this mean Noah and I are still doing course design? First-time venue, first-time course designers... this could be interesting.

Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:43 pm

Zach Hill wrote:

Does this mean Noah and I are still doing course design? First-time venue, first-time course designers... this could be interesting.

I agree! I'm really psyched on this happening, so big thanks again to Rodney and everyone else that could scope things out last Saturday to make sure we can add this to our venue list.

Zach, you guys will knock it out. Jot down a couple of elements that you'd like to incorporate. In my short (and very humble) experience with course design, it's all about how well it flows, not having sections with too many inputs at once, no overusage of cones (sea of cones syndrome), not too much overlap, and a safe finish with a straight braking zone. The big killer, is having a course with great flow and then a section that totally just captures all your momentum with too much happening at once, leaving you with the feeling of "creeping" out of the element. Here's some good stuff in Roger Johnson's manual: http://delta-scca.org/club/maps/courses ... design.pdf

I thought it was interesting that he mentioned making the finish, the start, then filling the rest in.

Plus, the GM will be there to help you guys arrange the cones that you just chunked out of the trailer randomly during setup. I was a bit antsy before I chaired for the first time last year, but when it sets in that you'll actually be driving YOUR configuration, it's a warm fuzzy feeling. :beerbuds:

JamesShort · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:47 pm

Zach, Les was there on Saturday so he knows about our rough design ideas so he'll be able to help you

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Gwen Habenicht · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:16 pm

Matt McGrain wrote:

Zach Hill wrote:

Does this mean Noah and I are still doing course design? First-time venue, first-time course designers... this could be interesting.

I agree! I'm really psyched on this happening, so big thanks again to Rodney and everyone else that could scope things out last Saturday to make sure we can add this to our venue list.

Zach, you guys will knock it out. Jot down a couple of elements that you'd like to incorporate. In my short (and very humble) experience with course design, it's all about how well it flows, not having sections with too many inputs at once, no overusage of cones (sea of cones syndrome), not too much overlap, and a safe finish with a straight braking zone. The big killer, is having a course with great flow and then a section that totally just captures all your momentum with too much happening at once, leaving you with the feeling of "creeping" out of the element. Here's some good stuff in Roger Johnson's manual: http://delta-scca.org/club/maps/courses ... design.pdf

I thought it was interesting that he mentioned making the finish, the start, then filling the rest in.

Plus, the GM will be there to help you guys arrange the cones that you just chunked out of the trailer randomly during setup. I was a bit antsy before I chaired for the first time last year, but when it sets in that you'll actually be driving YOUR configuration, it's a warm fuzzy feeling. :beerbuds:

Zack,
Matt's right. Just my two cents worth, but when I've designed courses I have in mind what elements I want and how they will flow. After setting up the start and the finish, I sort of work backwards. I visualize how an element should exit in order to set up properly for the next element. That "white space" is important too. So, I'm basically working form finish to start. Your GM will help you too if you get stuck. Go for it!!!

Wish we were going to be there. There'll surely be talk in years to come about "remember that first event at NCCAR?" Since that's also Lemons weekend we'll be at CMP.

Keith Quistorff · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:24 pm

JamesShort wrote:

Zach, Les was there on Saturday so he knows about our rough design ideas so he'll be able to help you

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Yeah, just don't let Les talk you into any 40+ second overlap :lol:

Keith Quistorff · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:27 pm

So, for future events, is there any possibility of renting NCCAR on Saturdays to avoid the mid-day quiet hour?

Oh, and thanks to everyone who helped to make this happen. Great job, guys! Really looking forward to it.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:29 pm

Keith Quistorff wrote:

So, for future events, is there any possibility of renting NCCAR on Saturdays to avoid the mid-day quiet hour?

Yep, the Sept 18th Lburg event is going to get moved to Sept 17th at NCCAR.....hopefully

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RodneyWright · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:30 pm

Keith Quistorff wrote:

So, for future events, is there any possibility of renting NCCAR on Saturdays to avoid the mid-day quiet hour?

Yes, we've already decided the next event will be held on Saturday.

Keith Quistorff · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:33 pm

JamesShort wrote:

Yep, the Sept 18th Lburg event is going to get moved to Sept 17th at NCCAR.....hopefully

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RodneyWright wrote:

Yes, we've already decided the next event will be held on Saturday.

Excellent!!!!

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

Zach Hill wrote:

This is excellent!!! :woo:

So awesome that we have found a new venue. Kudos to those who made this happen. :thumbsup:

Does this mean Noah and I are still doing course design? First-time venue, first-time course designers... this could be interesting.

As others have stated, I'll be there as GM to help out and I'm sure that you guys and I can work something out. However if your uncomfortable with it and you would prefer not to and do a different event instead we could probably find someone else to chair. If we're going ahead, I'd recommend taking a look at the satellite images and working something out in advance, we can hash it out over email. lddavis73@gmail.com. Hopefully this event will be the debut of my 6 million dollar C4 so I'm going to have to insist on at least a couple spots where I can let loose the 6.3L. :twisted:

Of course since I still have no word on the short block eight weeks after ordering it, who knows when the car will run again.

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

Keith Quistorff wrote:

JamesShort wrote:

Zach, Les was there on Saturday so he knows about our rough design ideas so he'll be able to help you

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Yeah, just don't let Les talk you into any 40+ second overlap :lol:

Ha ha, a$$hole, unfortunately with the current layout of the site we may end up with a longer launch interval than is ideal here so we will be re-instituting an entry cap for this event just in case.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:03 pm

Les Davis wrote:

Keith Quistorff wrote:

JamesShort wrote:

Zach, Les was there on Saturday so he knows about our rough design ideas so he'll be able to help you

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Yeah, just don't let Les talk you into any 40+ second overlap :lol:

Ha ha, a$$hole, unfortunately with the current layout of the site we may end up with a longer launch interval than is ideal here so we will be re-instituting an entry cap for this event just in case.

I still think a sub 30s launch interval will be possible. At Danville, we have cars coming and going on the edges of the run way and this is wider than Danville's run way.

I guess "We'll see"

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Steven Carter · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:45 pm

GREAT WORK! I'm stoked to have this site, and look forward to seeing it grow. Glad both NCCAR and THSCC have mutually agreeable goals...

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