New Autocross Pricing structure info

JamesShort · **Posted:** Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:19 pm

We are going to be charging for entry a bit differently this year.

Members (THSCC or other local clubs) who prepay and preregister online: $20
Members (THSCC or other local clubs) who pay on site: $25
Nonmembers who prepay and preregister: $25
Nonmembers who pay on site: $30 (new)

So mainly the last item is the new bit. Previously there was no incentive to be a member if you are one who come to an event at the last minute and pay on site.

Plus as mentioned, we are going to advertise at the drivers meeting that we accept membership applications on site and if you'd like to join to see me after the meeting. If they fill out a new member application and go ahead and pay on site, then we will go ahead and give them the "member" rate of $25 if they paid for the event on site or $20 if they prepaid for the event online (essentially a $5 discount....cannot be combined with the business card discount).

Basically the idea is volume will beat out the discounts, and I think it will. Volume can also breed new addicts.....ie people who want to do T&S in the future or be officers or help with IT or drunk post on the forums or read the H&T and buy stuff from sponsors etc etc.

So for people with friends or acquaintances who come out who are not members, please spread the word.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:24 pm

Did you worked this out with the registration folks since they would be the "member police" so to speak, or is it based on the honor system?

JamesShort · **Posted:** Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:35 pm

Vincent Keene wrote:

Did you worked this out with the registration folks since they would be the "member police" so to speak, or is it based on the honor system?

Yep, the registrars are aware

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Judi Westerfield · **Posted:** Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:32 pm

Bowie can give us a member list so we'll know who's paid up or not for THSCC. As far as other clubs, we'll have to see the membership card.

Graham Jagger · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:53 am **Posts:** 1718

Pre-pay with Paypal?

Ok so I'm not a big Paypal user but finally got an account. So it seems you all would prefer that based on the incentives for $20. So I have to ask the noob question. Where do I go to do the Paypal? On the registration page there is no mention of how to prepay. (Yes I slept through all these years you have had Paypal... and I don't use Facebook either...

Thanks

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:35 pm

sounds like a good Facebook update....it also helps get run groups established sooner, as we'd have fewer walk-up registrations. I like it!

edit: just checked my FB and James posted the fees an hour ago...nice!

JamesShort · **Posted:** Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:42 pm

Graham Jagger wrote:

Pre-pay with Paypal?

Ok so I'm not a big Paypal user but finally got an account. So it seems you all would prefer that based on the incentives for $20. So I have to ask the noob question. Where do I go to do the Paypal? On the registration page there is no mention of how to prepay. (Yes I slept through all these years you have had Paypal... and I don't use Facebook either...

Thanks

After you preregister, you will be forwarded to a page that has a link to paypal at which point you will forward to paypal, log in, click pay and you are set!

Steve, that is a good point. If 90% or more of people preregister (which would drive them to prepay due to the incentive) then you and Jennifer can have a rough idea of run groups and things would run smoother in the morning and if Rodney or myself could stop talking for so long during the drivers meeting, then we might be able to get driving at 9:30-9:45

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:59 pm

James,
Sorry to get off-topic, but I swear 90% of what is said at driver's meetings is "boilerplate" material that could be handled as a signed form when drivers register. That way the actual meeting could be 10 minutes instead of 20, focused on site-specific issues, and people would have a copy of important info if they needed to refer to it later in the day.

...just a thought.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:54 pm

I agree to a decent extent that a lot of things that are verbalized could be put on paper and signed. However, some of the safety things need to be verbalized even if they are on paper. Generally the people who need to be reminded of the safety part are NOT going to read the form and just sign it. Also, in coordination with the Novice coordinators, I'd like to focus 2-3 minutes on cone calls and standardized radio communication. During the novice walk, Rob/Maria can run through the cone call permutations:

1. Cone untouched within box (no call)
2. Cone touched, upright and the base is over *some* part of the box (no call)
2a. Cone touched, flips eleventy billion times and falls on the
ground upright and touching part of the box (no call)
3. Cone touched, on side but is touching the box (call)
4. Cone touched, upright and the base is not touching part of the box (call)
5. Cone touched, on side and not touching part of the box (call)

Also mention that pointer cones do not count as cone calls regardless
of what happens...they are purely there for directional negotiation.
Only cones that are originally upright can possibly be called in.

I know generally the 'experienced' worker at a station does the flag
and/or radio, but usually its the novices who shag cones and signal
back to the experienced worker whether it is a cone or not.

This might not be terribly pertinent to novices but I really want to
emphasize a definitive format for radio communication:

<class> <number> plus <no. cones>

I think the most important pieces of info is the car number and cone
call, and given that many people prematurely start talking after
pressing the radio button, if the class is cut off, it's no big deal
because T&S knows which 66 is on course if there are more than one.
Anyway, "plus one on tire 66" can cut off the "plus one" part and the
resulting communication by T&S to get a redo clutters the radio
communication such that other calls can be missed.

Anyway, so I think we need to add some things to the drivers meeting, but I think we can definitely trim some fat. Regardless, getting registration closed earlier due to more preregistration and more prepayment is helpful nonetheless....even if the drivers meeting can only be shortened to say 15 minutes.

*Off topic*: shouldn't your car (in your signature) be called "Tirebomb" ?

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:40 pm

JamesShort wrote:

*Off topic*: shouldn't your car (in your signature) be called "Tirebomb" ?

fixed...

Maria Winslow · **Posted:** Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:17 pm

We tell them this stuff, so as long as novices have to attend the novice meeting, there should be no need to bore everyone else. And of course the novices are the ones who especially need to hear the safety stuff, so I like to tell them about the time I saw a car roll in Danville. That seems to get their attention

JamesShort wrote:

I agree to a decent extent that a lot of things that are verbalized could be put on paper and signed. However, some of the safety things need to be verbalized even if they are on paper. Generally the people who need to be reminded of the safety part are NOT going to read the form and just sign it. Also, in coordination with the Novice coordinators, I'd like to focus 2-3 minutes on cone calls and standardized radio communication. During the novice walk, Rob/Maria can run through the cone call permutations:

1. Cone untouched within box (no call)
2. Cone touched, upright and the base is over *some* part of the box (no call)
2a. Cone touched, flips eleventy billion times and falls on the
ground upright and touching part of the box (no call)
3. Cone touched, on side but is touching the box (call)
4. Cone touched, upright and the base is not touching part of the box (call)
5. Cone touched, on side and not touching part of the box (call)

Also mention that pointer cones do not count as cone calls regardless
of what happens...they are purely there for directional negotiation.
Only cones that are originally upright can possibly be called in.

I know generally the 'experienced' worker at a station does the flag
and/or radio, but usually its the novices who shag cones and signal
back to the experienced worker whether it is a cone or not.

This might not be terribly pertinent to novices but I really want to
emphasize a definitive format for radio communication:

<class> <number> plus <no. cones>

I think the most important pieces of info is the car number and cone
call, and given that many people prematurely start talking after
pressing the radio button, if the class is cut off, it's no big deal
because T&S knows which 66 is on course if there are more than one.
Anyway, "plus one on tire 66" can cut off the "plus one" part and the
resulting communication by T&S to get a redo clutters the radio
communication such that other calls can be missed.

Anyway, so I think we need to add some things to the drivers meeting, but I think we can definitely trim some fat. Regardless, getting registration closed earlier due to more preregistration and more prepayment is helpful nonetheless....even if the drivers meeting can only be shortened to say 15 minutes.

*Off topic*: shouldn't your car (in your signature) be called "Tirebomb" ?

JasonWatts · **Posted:** Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:41 pm

Maria Winslow wrote:

We tell them this stuff, so as long as novices have to attend the novice meeting, there should be no need to bore everyone else. And of course the novices are the ones who especially need to hear the safety stuff, so I like to tell them about the time I saw a car roll in Danville. That seems to get their attention

we had a car roll in danville?

JamesMilko · **Posted:** Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:07 pm

We didn't but another club did.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:16 pm

let's not forget Ryan's favorite thing in the world to announce........... (besides the fact that he is the little spoon)......

"when in doubt, whip it out"

which of course should be followed by a radio call to the bus warning all of the red flag.

rather than go thru the entire cone call ruleset, why not ask if anyone needs it explained to them further?

honestly i agree with Maria, most of the training needs to be the responsibility of the WCs as well as ensuring at least one experienced person works each station.

as for the radios, well it helps if you listen to them as well as talk into them.... :mrgreen:

Chris Halweg · **Posted:** Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:08 am

I fear that some novices will not go to the novice meeting and we will not know who they are. They will not get all of the safety info etc. I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

Also, for liability reasons, is it better to have all of the safety stuff in the driver's meeting. One option would be to post the full safety info on the side of the bus in addition to what is said that the meetings. From a liability perspective, this may give us a better case.

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