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TnT? Next month? When? Hopefully the schedule will be out soon so plans can be made...

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Sign me up. I’m all for a work day to improve any site. I plan to attend the TnT assuming I don't have to travel for work - I'll know my travel dates in about a week.

As Ryan suggested, before we go off willie-nillie with rakes, shovels and implements of destruction, the engineer/project manager in me says we need to quantify the problem, develop a plan and define the costs (materials and time).

Having done this kind of project on Air Bases previously, here are my thoughts:

We need a recon/survey day to define the project boundaries, identify each individual repair location and quantify the volume and type of each repair (ie, measure each repair). I have done this with GPS, camera and laptop, but we could get by with a crude drawing and a spreadsheet template on a clipboard.

Once we have the number of repairs and total volume, we can quantify the amount of product needed, the number of people, number of work days, tools required and transportation needs. Most of these projects turn out bigger than expected and I’m sure L’burg is no exception.

Couple thoughts on the Flexset product:
It is sold in a 5gal bucket, but does not contain 5gal of material. It is a kit containing 3 different bags of materials, conveniently packaged in a 5gal mixing bucket. It actually makes just under 2gal of patch material. At $130/kit, it can get pricey quickly.

Once we quantify the project we can better evaluate the options.

Or . . . we can just load up the truck with beer and tools and see what happens - I’ve been known to do that too.

Let me know if I can help.

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2/13 is the TnT date.

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I know it's not 100% final yet but can we put up the dates that are solid and leave the rest TBD? I'd like to plan out my track events but I can't till I know what weekends are AX.

There is an old thread in the staff section. I proposed we fix L'burg back in 2007 or 06, I forget which. We had a basic survey and Ryan was going to help calculating how much concrete we needed. We figured on sweeper, lots of tools, a few pickups full of the Quickcrete, 8-12 people at the very least. This was to do some patching in the area we used to use. Not fix the whole thing.

Somewhere between a full on geological survey and project plan to yahoos with beer and Quickcrete and shovels would be good.

I brought it up shortly after an event that Rob and I chaired. We had a section of the course come apart. We used some Quickcrete in the evening to patch it instead of moving the course. It held, surprisingly, for at least 2-3 years that I know of. We let it cure overnight and ran over it all the next day. So it got little time to set up. Although the stuff says 24-72 hours then 1 month for complete setup.

When we priced out the stuff we used. Just getting bags from HD or Lowes was not cost effective. Ryan gave me some supply houses that I called. We got the price down to about $30/bag as I recall. All it required was a small mixer and some water. We never got as far as figuring out how much we needed total. But assume a pallet or more of the stuff. The area being used is worse than the area we used to use as memory serves me. This fancy stuff at $130/bag is going to go quick. Based on our prior discussions on it even $30/bag was considered expensive. You're talking thousands easily at $130/bag.

I just looked at the schedule and since G'ville got bumped and you are now back at L'burg more. It's probably a good investment but plan on spending some serious cash. I'd say it should be priority over the bus unless the bus is a complete safety issue. Since you're gonna drive that bus a long way now more often.

Since you have a TT for February you could do the audit and draw it all up at the TT. Then get a crew down there to do it before the next event. It really isn't the best idea to do it and drive on it the next day.

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might be a stupid question, but where is the water going to come from?

a pallet of anything is going to require a bunch of H2O.

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Not stupid at all Steve. When we did that patch we used bottled water and excess from coolers. To do the large effort we would have to go get water with said vehicles after dropping off the concrete. We will need lots of it.

Again from 5 year old memory... I think there is a spigot somewhere on the site that was live. Left over from one of the places that used to be there. The guys we rent the site from maybe? Their office is not horribly far from the site. Other than that it means driving into L'burg to get water.

A couple of enclosed trailers would make it less painful than several pickups. And add a safe place to hide if inclement weather comes through.

An unfortunate drawback to having a site in BFE.

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We just plan to do this on a rainy day

or find someone with a large water container ala



dunno if anyone has acess to some agricultural equipment... but they normally have large water storage tanks.

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Quikcrete is generally 5:1 concrete to water. It also needs to be a minimum of 2" thick for it to last and in my experience that is still too thin. That's where the higher dollar stuff could come in for the thiner stuff/spalling

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I still contend this is a HUGE undertaking to be had, and I'm not sure they club could afford to fix this.

But, not to sound negative, I will help when the need arises. I skipped out of the second L'burg event last year because of the site and being rough on tires.

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I agree with the huge undertaking part. Not only is it a huge undertaking it would require a big commitment from members which probably won't occur given the antipathy many have for this site. I always liked this site in the past even with its high tire wear factor because it was fast and offered some options in site design for an airport course. Now, while I really don't feel it is really that hard on suspension, we are limited in site design due to lack of actual concrete with which to work.

Unfortunately, I think it would have been to our advantage to have done this on the old site years ago which would have given us a claim on continued use - like the speed trial guys have but that is water over the dam. The new are has potential but we would have to spend a bunch of money and have a bunch of volunteer labor to make it work and I don't see it happening. But - like John if it happens count me in

Concrete repair or not, we need to spend a day whacking weeds just to keep the site from getting worse imo. Perhaps we just spend a day clearing weeds and surveying possible concrete repair and we go from there.

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if ya'll want to keep the weeds down why not spray it in about a week or two? $80 worth of weed killer will last all season if applied early enough. hell we could throw some diesel fuel in the spray and it would last two years. sorry Donnie, i have this mean streak i just can't seem to lose sight of.

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This is a good idea IMO (not the diesel fuel part, the spraying the weeds part).

There are some BIG weeds though, we still may have to have some of them down the day before the TNT.

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