Koni woes

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:43 am

MarcusMcRae wrote:

This is an interesting read about this vs that. http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets18.html

Dennis is a tool. Motons and AST's are certainly not crap. There are too many National Champions rolling around on them for them to be crap. - AB

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:48 am

Aaron Buckley wrote:

MarcusMcRae wrote:

This is an interesting read about this vs that. http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets18.html

Dennis is a tool. Motons and AST's are certainly not crap. There are too many National Champions rolling around on them for them to be crap. - AB

You aren't reading what he is saying, he never had the opportunity to test Moton's, JRZ's, ect... so he won't comment. I actually kinda like that.

Dennis is certainly an odd sort.

MarcusMcRae · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:48 am

Aaron Buckley wrote:

MarcusMcRae wrote:

This is an interesting read about this vs that. http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets18.html

Dennis is a tool. Motons and AST's are certainly not crap. There are too many National Champions rolling around on them for them to be crap. - AB

He said he never dyno'd them and that's why he did not put them on his good list. I did not see where he said they were crap.

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:59 am

MarcusMcRae wrote:

He said he never dyno'd them and that's why he did not put them on his good list. I did not see where he said they were crap.

I didn't read the whole document, just the statement that "if it's not on the list, then it's crap".

Regardless, Dennis Grant is an over-analyzing tool

If he could drive as good he does his analysis on autocross, he would have been more successful

- AB

steve remchak · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:08 am

Aaron Buckley wrote:

MarcusMcRae wrote:

He said he never dyno'd them and that's why he did not put them on his good list. I did not see where he said they were crap.

I didn't read the whole document, just the statement that "if it's not on the list, then it's crap".

Regardless, Dennis Grant is an over-analyzing tool

If he could drive as good he does his analysis on autocross, he would have been more successful

- AB

imagine, the words "a Tool" and "autocross" in the same sentence. sorry, i couldn't resist. :twisted:

Koni has long had a reputation for premature failure. but at what percentage of overall users is the failure rate? you never really hear about the good results on the Intrawebs just the horror stories.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:10 am

I love his website though

. Helped me ramp up my over analyzing tool-i-ness as it relates to autox

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Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:11 am

steve remchak wrote:

Koni has long had a reputation for premature failure. but at what percentage of overall users is the failure rate? you never really hear about the good results on the Intrawebs just the horror stories.

FWIW, I've had the Dinan valved Konis with Dinan springs on the M5 now for about 5 years and maybe ~20k miles. Obviously not a lot of miles, but so far, knock on wood, no issues of any kind.

Speaking of JRZ Dinan sold, they performed great apparently, but many people had issues with them after not too many miles, and Dinan had a horrendous time with replacements, etc, so I think they dropped them completely now.

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:28 am

steve remchak wrote:

Koni has long had a reputation for premature failure. but at what percentage of overall users is the failure rate? you never really hear about the good results on the Intrawebs just the horror stories.

Aside from the early production problems like James had, OTS Konis are rock solid. What I think most people don't understand is that adjustable shocks aren't setup to be driven a ton of miles... and the custom double adjustables like Moton/AST/Penske are really designed for race applications only and really shouldn only see very little street miles. - AB

DickRasmussen · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:32 pm

Aaron Buckley wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

Koni has long had a reputation for premature failure. but at what percentage of overall users is the failure rate? you never really hear about the good results on the Intrawebs just the horror stories.

Aside from the early production problems like James had, OTS Konis are rock solid. What I think most people don't understand is that adjustable shocks aren't setup to be driven a ton of miles... and the custom double adjustables like Moton/AST/Penske are really designed for race applications only and really shouldn only see very little street miles. - AB

Don't forget "trailer miles" for race only shocks unless you rigidly tie the race car down with no suspension movement.

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:40 pm

DickRasmussen wrote:

Don't forget "trailer miles" for race only shocks unless you rigidly tie the race car down with no suspension movement.

Depending on how you strap it down, yes. - AB

Jason Mauldin · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:35 pm

Aaron Buckley wrote:

Aside from the early production problems like James had, OTS Konis are rock solid.

Ummmm, I disagree. How about Art, were his OTS konis that leaked with less than a single season of use?

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:38 pm

Jason Mauldin wrote:

Ummmm, I disagree. How about Art, were his OTS konis that leaked with less than a single season of use?

Didn't know anything about Art's condition, but as a Koni hater, I am not surprised you posted :wink:

I bet they replaced them under warrantee without issue too. - AB

Jason Mauldin · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:44 pm

I hate ALL crappy shocks, not just KONIs. :lol:

Aaron Buckley wrote:

I bet they replaced them under warrantee without issue too. - AB

How does that change the fact that they are not rock solid?

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:53 pm

Jason Mauldin wrote:

I hate ALL crappy shocks, not just KONIs. :lol:

How does that change the fact that they are not rock solid?

While Art may have had an issue, think about how many autocrossers I know in the 10+ years of autocrossing I've done that run OTS Konis with no issues. Hell, I think Art had no issues with his Konis on his Fox body Mustang.

I see it as an anomaly. You bought a set of used shocks and are still bitter that they wouldn't warrantee them.

- AB

JamesShort · **Posted:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:56 pm

I asked Lee about warranty on mine given all the problems I had. I told him quite clearly that I would be using them for autox and daily driving and that my car is a 3100lb pig. He clearly told me that so long as I'm the owner of that car that they'll fix them. He did have to preface that with the 'standard' 10 week return rate

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