2010 GTI in GS?

JamesShort · **Posted:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:01 am

How do you think the new GTI is posed to do in GS? It has the same power plant as 2009 but is, get this, 300 pounds lighter!!

Front struts are not camber adjustable, but rear multilink has camber adjustment so at least you can dial out some of the rear camber to balance it out.

I assumed it would be a DS car, but it's still in GS. What do you folks think?

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:09 am

JamesShort wrote:

How do you think the new GTI is posed to do in GS? It has the same power plant as 2009 but is, get this, 300 pounds lighter!!

Front struts are not camber adjustable, but rear multilink has camber adjustment so at least you can dial out some of the rear camber to balance it out.

I assumed it would be a DS car, but it's still in GS. What do you folks think?

300# lighter is good, but from a baseline of what? When I look them up, the curb weight of the lightest '10 GTI is 3034#. Not exactly light

The fact that it has no camber adjustment up front it a killer too. I would still take my 2450# Celica GT-S over that any day. Now, a SRT-4 ACR and Genesis Coupe will eat it for a snack

- AB

Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:11 am

Nothing can slay the mighty Si!

Kidding of course...

300 pounds???? Can they teach Honda that trick so they can make another 200 hp, 2600 pound car for $25k with modern 'ammenities'. :lol:

JamesShort · **Posted:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:30 am

Aaron Buckley wrote:

JamesShort wrote:

How do you think the new GTI is posed to do in GS? It has the same power plant as 2009 but is, get this, 300 pounds lighter!!

Front struts are not camber adjustable, but rear multilink has camber adjustment so at least you can dial out some of the rear camber to balance it out.

I assumed it would be a DS car, but it's still in GS. What do you folks think?

300# lighter is good, but from a baseline of what? When I look them up, the curb weight of the lightest '10 GTI is 3034#. Not exactly light

The fact that it has no camber adjustment up front it a killer too. I would still take my 2450# Celica GT-S over that any day. Now, a SRT-4 ACR and Genesis Coupe will eat it for a snack

- AB

A VW mechanic told me they are a hair under 3k lbs, but yes the 09s were 3300+ !?!?!

Aaron, I thought you said you like the GT over the GT-S due to the low end torque and 5spd gearing?

Matt, the thing is, from an autocross perspective, the GTI idles with more torque than the Civic peaks at

. Ok that's a stretch but at as early as 1500 it's over 200 ftlb of torque....you could stay in 2nd around a Kevin Allen style pivot cone and not bog as you exit

.

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:55 am

JamesShort wrote:

Aaron, I thought you said you like the GT over the GT-S due to the low end torque and 5spd gearing?

I still do, but I own a GT-S

I am surprised no one has run a GT or GT-S seriously since the move. I test fit 275's up front and they fit fine. That size wasn't out when the '05 Cooper S started to dominate GS. - AB

Karl Shultz · **Posted:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:06 pm

Aaron Buckley wrote:

Now, a SRT-4 ACR and Genesis Coupe will eat it for a snack

- AB

What he said. :wink:

Also, what Keith Vail said months ago. The Genesis has 19" wheels. That means a set of Hoosiers costs $1400 or so. That reads to me like an awfully steep tire budget in GS.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:06 pm

Karl Shultz wrote:

Aaron Buckley wrote:

Now, a SRT-4 ACR and Genesis Coupe will eat it for a snack

- AB

What he said. :wink:

Also, what Keith Vail said months ago. The Genesis has staggered 19" wheels. That means a set of Hoosiers costs $1400 or so. That reads to me like an awfully steep tire budget in GS.

Emphasized above

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Also this makes me wonder why the SRT4 got dropped from DS to GS in the first place. I thought maybe the FWD aspect of it despite having DS like power numbers was part of it, but the Cobalt SS is still in DS. The SRT4 struts even have stock camber adjustment if I'm not mistaken.

Keith Vail · **Posted:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:18 pm

JamesShort wrote:

Also this makes me wonder why the SRT4 got dropped from DS to GS in the first place. I thought maybe the FWD aspect of it despite having DS like power numbers was part of it, but the Cobalt SS is still in DS. The SRT4 struts even have stock camber adjustment if I'm not mistaken.

I ran against one of the best driven SRT4's in the country in 07 and it was very fast with such a limited level of prep as that car had. Aaron can also weigh in as we both ran against Steve in his 05 ACR. It should be a killer in the new GS if you can keep axles under the car for an entire event. :lol:

JamesShort · **Posted:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:30 pm

Keith Vail wrote:

JamesShort wrote:

Also this makes me wonder why the SRT4 got dropped from DS to GS in the first place. I thought maybe the FWD aspect of it despite having DS like power numbers was part of it, but the Cobalt SS is still in DS. The SRT4 struts even have stock camber adjustment if I'm not mistaken.

I ran against one of the best driven SRT4's in the country in 07 and it was very fast with such a limited level of prep as that car had. Aaron can also weigh in as we both ran against Steve in his 05 ACR. It should be a killer in the new GS if you can keep axles under the car for an entire event. :lol:

The SRT4 breaks axles at stock power levels?

Keith Vail · **Posted:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:41 pm

JamesShort wrote:

The SRT4 breaks axles at stock power levels?

From what I heard they have the same axles as the NA ACR cars had. Don't quote me on that but that information came from a Neonophile. I do know they go through axles when autocrossed even in stock form.

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:56 pm

Keith Vail wrote:

I ran against one of the best driven SRT4's in the country in 07 and it was very fast with such a limited level of prep as that car had. Aaron can also weigh in as we both ran against Steve in his 05 ACR. It should be a killer in the new GS if you can keep axles under the car for an entire event. :lol:

Keith's right. Genesis Coupe included, if I were picking a car for any form of autocross (ProSolo or Tours) for GS it would be a SRT-4 ACR, which was only made in 2005. Yes, they break stock axles, but the car is probably still competitive in the current DS, especially now that Nationals is concrete. - AB

DickRasmussen · **Posted:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:58 pm

Aaron Buckley wrote:

Keith Vail wrote:

I ran against one of the best driven SRT4's in the country in 07 and it was very fast with such a limited level of prep as that car had. Aaron can also weigh in as we both ran against Steve in his 05 ACR. It should be a killer in the new GS if you can keep axles under the car for an entire event. :lol:

Keith's right. Genesis Coupe included, if I were picking a car for any form of autocross (ProSolo or Tours) for GS it would be a SRT-4 ACR, which was only made in 2005. Yes, they break stock axles, but the car is probably still competitive in the current DS, especially now that Nationals is concrete. - AB

Why would you want a Stock car for even Tours, let alone Pros that breaks stock axles? Is there any "predictability" to how long they last under various use conditions to allow you to replace them BEFORE they break . . . EVERY time? Wouldn't you worry that a less honest competitor has non stock axles?

Dick (who broke a stock FF axle at L'burg once . . . there was a hole just after the start where one of the rear tires got to do the "spin, grip, break axle dance" on my first and only run. Of course, in Modified I could and did replace both axles with stronger ones.)

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:03 pm

DickRasmussen wrote:

Why would you want a Stock car for even Tours, let alone Pros that breaks stock axles? Is there any "predictability" to how long they last under various use conditions to allow you to replace them BEFORE they break . . . EVERY time? Wouldn't you worry that a less honest competitor has non stock axles?

I think the axles breaking is a bit overstated. That said, I bought a new car that is known for grenading engines.

- AB

Karl Shultz · **Posted:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:56 pm

DickRasmussen wrote:

Why would you want a Stock car for even Tours, let alone Pros that breaks stock axles?

I have a few guesses.

1. You think the car can win
2. You like the car a lot and would autocross it anyway
3. You are an idiot

Pick any combination of the above. :lol:

As to the less than honest competitors? Impossible to say. Sometimes people get lucky and end up with cars that are famous for having glass (axles/transmissions/engines/diffs/clutches/whatever), and they never, or rarely, break.

-- Karl, who often wonders why so many people buy cars that don't work properly...

(Edit: realized that might read like I was referring directly to Dick, which I was not)

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:53 pm

Since this thread (very interesting to read, BTW) has ventured from the GTI, I'll contribute another off-topic question: Why does the consensus view the Genesis as a GS car? Does the V6 setup not have what it takes to compete in FS either?

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