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 Post subject: Blytheville Pro Wrap Up and DC Pro Chat
PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:33 pm 
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I figure I could give a little update on the first big event in the STi. We arrived at Blytheville by 10:45am local time, which is about 4.5 hours earlier than we normally arrive. Luckily, they had a short practice course setup in addition to the practice starts, which is very unusual for a ProSolo.

We unloaded the car and noticed the first issue, of many for the day. The tow strap for the right rear was cut about ¾ of the way through. The lower arm of the rear suspension was acting like a pair of scissors combined with the subframe of the STi. Not good, but we acquired a spare for the trip home. (the straps were 4 years old and Bryan bought 4 new ones for the future events)

After setting the pressures on the nearly used up tires we brought (and ran at Danville a couple of weeks earlier), we hit the practice course. The course had a short slalom, sweeper, lane change and chute finish. We bought 8 tickets, with a plan to rotate the tires and buy 8 more. Bryan made 4 runs and then it was my turn. On my first run as I exited the slalom and entered the sweeper, I felt one of the front end links break. These were McMaster Carr specials that I put together to try to use a custom 34mm front sway bar that didn’t fit properly. The end link sheared on the bar end. The positive was that I had a 32mm bar too with Kart Boy end links that I used at Danville with good results.

I installed the new bar and was back to the practice course. I made 3 more runs, we rotated the tires and made 8 more. The tires were nearly dead, so it was time to hit some practice starts. Launching this car, at least for practice starts turned out to be easier than first thought. Line up, put the car in 1st, keep the revs moving from 4500 to 5500 and when the light come down, floor it and let out the clutch. Bryan and I did 8 practice starts, with 60’ times ranging from 1.71 to 1.79 seconds. Not too shabby. :)

After doing our practice starts, we removed the tires and dropped them off at R&S Racing’s trailer to mount up some fresh rubber. I have bought Hoosiers from R&S for about the last 3 years. They price match TireRack’s price and mount tires for $10 a piece ;)

After getting out of the 93º heat for about an hour, we went over to R&S to pick up the tires. There was a slight problem... There were three 295’s mounted up and one 285. The stickers on the tires were all labeled 295/30/18, but one was actually a 285. Thanks Hoosier :( After R&S called TireRack to try to get a 295 over-nighted, we learned that it couldn’t arrive until Monday. Not good. Luckily, I knew Kevin Youngers and the other FS Mustangs all run 295’s, so I started making the rounds. Kevin had a set of 18 run Hoosiers on the car that was just flipped, along with a set of mounted new Hoosiers. We worked out a deal to buy two new 295’s for Kevin in exchange for his 18 run tires. Not ideal, but better than it could have been. Our old tires were showing a slight amount of cord and we couldn’t run a single tire with that size differential without doing damage to the center differential on the car. R&S dismounted and mounted all of the tires free of charge.

After I helped Kevin and R&S swap over tires, the next bad news came. Bryan had made a couple of walks of the course, and to say it wasn’t a typical ProSolo course was an understatement. It was a transition nightmare. We probably had 2 spots where the STi would shine: the start and the turnaround, with the latter being questionable ;) Here is a video of one of Bryan’s runs showing the NSX/S2000 friendly transition fest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSsCRnCc5z4

As you can see, not good. Combine all of the transitioning with a ton of 2nd gear limiter *everywhere*.

After the first session on Saturday, Bryan rotated the tires. When I returned from working, I noticed a baseball size puddle under the passenger rear tire. The passenger rear shock was leaking heavily. It turns out that the nitrogen piggyback was hitting the rear sway bar causing the seal on the canister to rupture the seal. :evil: There wasn’t much I could do about it. We ran it like it was for it wasn’t long before all of the fluid ran out. The next two sessions didn’t go very well. Bryan I both redlit and coned away decent runs, certainly not good enough to win, but surprisingly not horrible either. I edged Bryan out by a few thousandths, but still finished a 5th out of 7. Again, not good ;)

On a positive note, I was able to pull 1.698 60’ time on my first launch of the event. Even launching at rev-limit, we couldn’t spin the tires once the tires were warm for there was too much grip. We got 60’ times from about 1.71 to low 1.8’s for the remainder of the event.

After getting home and taking an inventory of what needed to be done, I removed the rear shocks and put on the stockers. I was going to have them refreshed prior to DC (AST has a 1 day turn time), but decided to wait to have all four refreshed prior to the Toledo ProSolo in July.

I called and complained to Hoosier about their distribution problem and they did us right by selling us a set of tires at over $400 off including shipping.

I am looking forward to DC this weekend. I picked up an extra set of stock wheels and mounted up the Blytheville tires on there, while putting the new rubber on the lighter K3’s. I was able to get 8 mounted 295’s in the STi hatch area too :) See everyone on Friday! - AB

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:56 pm 
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Sounds like someone needs......SUPER SPRAYER! ;)

Were you swapping tires between drivers? Or using just that one set? Sounds like just the one. Our experience was often that your first run was a throw away to get heat (which sucks, since it'll be your best launch), your second and third were typically your best, and your fourth was bad thanks to too much tire heat. Occasionally that bleeds into third. And if we just tried to cool tires then the second driver typically only good one good run, maybe the first two. But usually not. Then crapola. You've got more meat to spread the load, but it'll be interesting to see how much it helps this problem.

Typical teething problems. Don't let it get you down. But I'm not sure that wasn't a fairly typical ProSolo course, either. As for "tons of second gear rev limiter", get used to shifting, boy. It'll be worth it. Short shifting isn't always a bad thing in that car. Judicious use of third may be necessary.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:06 pm 
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Dang man, I'm sorry to hear you guys had a rough time of it. Here's to better things in DC.

By the way - have you looked to see if the STI has tie-down holes in its chassis like an S2000 does? Mine were covered up by rubber plugs. They're adjacent to the jack points at the rocker panels. If the car has them, they would solve the scissors problem on your tie down straps.

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Good point, Karl. It's almost got to have those. If so, you buy four t-hooks at a truck stop and you're done. On an open trailer they'd be so easy to use it isn't even funny...they're a little bit of a pain on an enclosed trailer, but still better than going to suspension bits.


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Donnie Barnes wrote:
Good point, Karl. It's almost got to have those. If so, you buy four t-hooks at a truck stop and you're done. On an open trailer they'd be so easy to use it isn't even funny...they're a little bit of a pain on an enclosed trailer, but still better than going to suspension bits.


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Donnie, did your former STI have them? If it did, I can't imagine Aaron's not having them. They're great. The only time I struggle with them is getting the straps around the big rear tires, as I have to reach around the backs of them with the trailer fender partially in the way. The other "problem, if you can call it that, is that you'll probably have to cross your tie down straps left to right, in order to avoid the wheels. I know there are some people who don't like to cross them.

I'm a big fan of them for just what Donnie mentioned - not having to tie down to suspension bits. It's got to be less likely to screw up one's alignment settings. Lee Grimes also makes the case that tying down to the chassis, rather than to the unsprung stuff like control arms or wheels, is easier on your shocks. He says that the car "bounces" in unison with the trailer when tied down to the chassis, where the other way allows the car to "flop around" independent of the motion of the trailer.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:26 am 
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I'm not sure I knew the virtues of the t-hook when I was hauling the STi. Plus I think mine had hooks or something. I really don't recall. But remember Aaron's is five full years newer than mine, too.

As for the crossing of the straps, well, I believe in crossing them on both ends. Not so much I think it's way better, but I just do it all the time anyway.

As for what's better for your shocks? Seriously, if your trailer is transmitting enough motion to your shocks that they're wearing excessively, you have a shitty trailer AND shitty shocks. IMHO, of course. I like Lee and all, but I'm not getting this one. I mean I do agree that tying to the chassis is better if you can, though.


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Thanks guys. I’m not too down on the car, just down that we broke a ton of stuff and had some bad luck with the tires. The course is what it is and I can’t control that.

To Donnie’s point on heat in the tires, we only had a single set of wheels for Blytheville but got lucky that the car didn’t seem to fall off even in the 95º heat. I bought an extra set of stockers just prior to leaving for Blytheville, so we will have two sets for this event. I think the plan will be to swap rears to front between drivers for now. Prior to Toledo, I will buy two sets of Enkei PF01’s and be done with buying anything for the car. They’re 18#, forged and $1300 a set shipped. I will need to have 1mm taken off the hub face to be legal, but they should great. When I get those, we will swap entire sets of tires between drivers.

I need to look for T hook holes. They’re on the C6 and they are so easy to use. We always cross straps on the trailer, but that comes from learning from Donnie :wink:

I know I'll need to use 3rd gear often. In the last session we were trying 3rd gear, but it didn’t work really well for me. I need to get used to using it and get over it. 74 in 2nd gear in the Corvette is awesome :)

It looks like the weather this weekend will be nice, which is good. Hopefully it stays that way.

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Yeah. I'll be in the Volvo with the Smart on the back and the gooseneck trailer. Staying where Eric and Chris are staying. Motorhome being painted right now. *sigh*


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AS far as tow hooks, not sure if the sti is the same as the wrx but there are some tow holes on the side right under the door by the rear jack points. there are 2 holes on each side that we have used on my buddys 2010 wrx for the trips to the dyno. Maybe that will help.

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jeremy gast wrote:
AS far as tow hooks, not sure if the sti is the same as the wrx but there are some tow holes on the side right under the door by the rear jack points. there are 2 holes on each side that we have used on my buddys 2010 wrx for the trips to the dyno. Maybe that will help.

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I can't imagine they're different, considering they're built on the same chassis. I will check it out tonight, but this is very helpful. Regards, Aaron

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http://www.scca.org/documents/resultfil ... %20DC1.pdf

I was perusing the results, and was hoping for some perspective...I know that ProSolo is run different from Solo National Tour events, so how significant are these observations:

The Solstice GXP dominated in BStock
What happened to the S2000 crowd?
Miatas were shut out in CStock
Are D Stock and A Stock dying classes?

Also noticed the STU cars were a bit faster than those dastardly Civics....

I'm pretty ignorant re: ProSolo events, so input from Others More Knowledgable would be great!

Hope the event was a fun weekend for all who competed!

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Steve,

The biggest difference between Pro's and a "normal" major SCCA autocross is the drag race start with a relatively long initial straight. The 2 mirror image courses have side-by-side starts. After that the course size and characteristics really depend on site constraints and/or designer preference . . . as influenced by SCCA National Pro Solo Staff. Frequently they are a little tighter than a Nationals course but not necessarily. Pay attention to how often Sam Strano wins or places very well in Pro's. Obviously courses aren't always "tight".

FYI, back in the day I loved Pro Solo with my CM car. Even won 2 Challenges and 1 Bonus Challenge. Better believe that those wins took a LOT of good luck!!!!

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Steven Carter wrote:
http://www.scca.org/documents/resultfiles/results%20DC1.pdf

I was perusing the results, and was hoping for some perspective...I know that ProSolo is run different from Solo National Tour events, so how significant are these observations:

The Solstice GXP dominated in BStock
What happened to the S2000 crowd?
Miatas were shut out in CStock
Are D Stock and A Stock dying classes?

Also noticed the STU cars were a bit faster than those dastardly Civics....


The courses heavily favored cars with good power and torque so the S2000's had a lot of trouble keeping up with the Solsti. There was an incident with Karl's car that I don't want to get into so I will let someone else chime in on that when they are ready.

As you can see by a 350Z winning CS that the courses favored power and torque. So the Miata was a dead duck from the start in that class for these courses.

A Stock is the new tweener class between SS and BS (old AS) and it has not seemed to take off yet. This event was just very poorly subscribed by DS drivers but overall the class is still healthy IMO.

Here are my fastest runs on the left and right courses for all too see. I was not overly happy with my left course runs but my right course run was decent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJniRA4MtUg

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Keith Vail wrote:
Steven Carter wrote:
http://www.scca.org/documents/resultfiles/results%20DC1.pdf

I was perusing the results, and was hoping for some perspective...I know that ProSolo is run different from Solo National Tour events, so how significant are these observations:

The Solstice GXP dominated in BStock
What happened to the S2000 crowd?
Miatas were shut out in CStock
Are D Stock and A Stock dying classes?

Also noticed the STU cars were a bit faster than those dastardly Civics....


The courses heavily favored cars with good power and torque so the S2000's had a lot of trouble keeping up with the Solsti.



While I will admit they were horsepower courses, I would have loved for Eric to get all of his runs in Karl's car. In looking at his raw times from Saturday morning, there is no doubt he would have been in the hunt for the win.

I do think the Solstice had the right combination of power and handling for that course. When you look across the classes, the cars with good torque curves did seem to rise to the top in classes without a spec car. The interesting thing is how Learic Cramer would have worked over a pretty deep field in CS if she had driven open. I do think that a well driven 370z should be an overdog on most courses for CS, but she drove the wheels off of that thing.

For me, while getting into the trophies was good, I am shutting down the car for National events until next year. We'll run the Corvette at Toledo, the ProFinale and Nationals. That will give me time to work on the setup some more, take a SoloPro school in it and unwind some really bad driving habits.

I feel a lot more comfortable in the C6 and I think Bryan is a little disappointed with the STi. I think it will take some time for him to adjust to it. Trying to pack that into two National events with no other seat time isn't a good way. Other than the 5 runs I took at Danville, that's all the extra seat time I have, but I seem to adjust to the change of cars thing quicker than he does. I must have acquired this from when I drove his Celica GT for the ProSolos and Eric's Spyder for the Tours in 2002 :)

I'll post some video from DC in a couple of days. - AB

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Thanks for the input. Aaron, sorry the event wasn't what you had hoped. I look forward to seeing you run the STI in 2011.

Best wishes to Karl (not knowing the details) regarding whatever has happened to his S2k...

How much of ProSolo event performance bleeds over to Solo National Tour event performance expectation, and subequently into considerations for reclassing cars? Or does it not count for much?

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