Carolina Autocross Championship/NCAC Update

Patrice Bousquet · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:29 pm

Yes, i'm sure you feel sorry, i might try also to do a few laps on the Nurburgring Nordschleife.

Patrice

David Spratte · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:42 pm

Option A. [Unconstructive commentary goes here along with questions that would need to go unanswered.]

I'd consider attending our event the weekend before, but I can't since we've dropped bank on airfare to Vermont it's not an option. I guess that makes August my second drop.

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:46 pm

David Spratte wrote:

I'd consider attending our event the weekend before, but I can't since we've dropped bank on airfare to Vermont it's not an option. I guess that makes August my second drop.

I apologize to David and everyone on the short notice there.

Carl Fisher · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:48 pm

Richard Casto wrote:

Threating to create a break away series is sad and IMHO is not the best way to do this, but it looks like that is the world we live in. It did not need to come to this and I think in the end it will show who really is trying to be flexiable in making this happen and who is not.

Hmm, I didn't read it that way. I didn't get the feeling that they were trying to establish a new series, but rather that they still wanted to have a "state championship" event on that weekend (and are apparently able to) that everyone already had marked on their calendars. Maybe they didn't want to call it "NCAC" because it was our turn to have it, and if they called their event NCAC then it'd be pulling it out from under us (even though we're cancelling it). That just seems respectful to me.

Now I hope I interpreted that right, and that plans are to try again to have the NCAC at Greensboro next year when it's someone else's turn.

I also hope that Tarheelers will come out to the Greensboro event on the 19-20 to represent the club. That's what I plan to do, though I probably won't bother with the event on the 13th.

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:52 pm

Brad Mackey wrote:

Nice save, guys, regardless of the poll outcome.

That is not what I would call it. I agree with Carl on this one. It will be tough as hell showing up there on the 19th. But I have supported the series and know a bunch of people in all the clubs.

No matter what they think of the THSCC AX club, they have always treated THSCC members nicely. I expect the same kind of treatment will be offered this weekend in Virginia.

MarcusMcRae · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:53 pm

Quote:

I also hope that Tarheelers will come out to the Greensboro event on the 19-20 to represent the club. That's what I plan to do, though I probably won't bother with the event on the 13th.

Ditto. Anyone who runs on the 13th in STU, your points don't count. :twisted:

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:58 pm

Carl Fisher wrote:

Richard Casto wrote:

Threating to create a break away series is sad and IMHO is not the best way to do this, but it looks like that is the world we live in. It did not need to come to this and I think in the end it will show who really is trying to be flexiable in making this happen and who is not.

Hmm, I didn't read it that way. I didn't get the feeling that they were trying to establish a new series, but rather that they still wanted to have a "state championship" event on that weekend (and are apparently able to) that everyone already had marked on their calendars. Maybe they didn't want to call it "NCAC" because it was our turn to have it, and if they called their event NCAC then it'd be pulling it out from under us (even though we're cancelling it). That just seems respectful to me.

Carl's interpretation is for the most part accurate.

David Spratte · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:58 pm

Stephen Westerfield wrote:

David Spratte wrote:

I'd consider attending our event the weekend before, but I can't since we've dropped bank on airfare to Vermont it's not an option. I guess that makes August my second drop.

I apologize to David and everyone on the short notice there.

Dood. Not your fault. I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. . .

Emmie Fisher · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:00 pm

Opt A gets my vote.

And, I haven't read all that much stuff on our forum about what's been happening, nor have I visited the other clubs' forums at all, but sounds like maybe we should also all (all clubs, that is) be voting to do away with forums.

As Mike Dishman said a long time ago when he was Prez of THSCC and NCAC Chairman, "If you've got anything to discuss with me, feel free to give me a call; but don't send me an email."

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:01 pm

Emmie Fisher wrote:

sounds like maybe we should also all (all clubs, that is) be voting to do away with forums.

Once this get's sorted out...I considered it for myself anyway.

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:03 pm

Carl Fisher wrote:

Richard Casto wrote:

Threating to create a break away series is sad and IMHO is not the best way to do this, but it looks like that is the world we live in. It did not need to come to this and I think in the end it will show who really is trying to be flexiable in making this happen and who is not.

Hmm, I didn't read it that way. I didn't get the feeling that they were trying to establish a new series, but rather that they still wanted to have a "state championship" event on that weekend (and are apparently able to) that everyone already had marked on their calendars. Maybe they didn't want to call it "NCAC" because it was our turn to have it, and if they called their event NCAC then it'd be pulling it out from under us (even though we're cancelling it). That just seems respectful to me.

Now I hope I interpreted that right, and that plans are to try again to have the NCAC at Greensboro next year when it's someone else's turn.

I also hope that Tarheelers will come out to the Greensboro event on the 19-20 to represent the club. That's what I plan to do, though I probably won't bother with the event on the 13th.

Still trying to keep this positive.

But here I go... If we do option "A" will it be "CAC" or "NCAC" If it is "CAC" does that mean there is no NCAC for 2006? I shouldn't have said "series" earlier, that is not right. "Championship" would have been right. It is an ultimatum to create a break away championship that not only covers NC, but one ups NCAC by including SC as well (bigger is always better!). Respectful is not scheduling another championship on the same weekend. Now if this was a unified decision (which as it is being explained, it was not. It sounds like it was done without THSCC feedback), then I am wrong.

We should all kiss and make up and call it NCAC 2006 or call it CAC 2006 and bury NCAC for good.

I really need to shut up as I really try to be the voice of reason at times and today it just a struggle for me. I am going to go home and try to have a good weekend.

Keith Quistorff · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:04 pm

Is there a particular reason we can't stick with the original plan of having the 8/19 Carolina Autocross Championship date count as the August THSCC points event? Will we not be given full access to the results, etc.? The reason I ask is because moving the THSCC points event to the weekend prior to previously planned and hoping to get a decent draw of THSCC people at the Carolina Autocross Championships the following Saturday and Sunday sounds like a tall order.

Carl Fisher · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:12 pm

Oh, I guess I didn't mention that I picked Option A (though I guess you could figure that). That's the option more in line with supporting cooperation and competition (the good kind) among the clubs.

That this option is listed, and listed first, I interpret as showing that our club is able to put the recent ugliness behind it and do what we can to support the larger goal.

PS. I would be fine with letting Triad call their event NCAC if they wanted to.

[edit to add P.S.]

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:14 pm

Richard Casto wrote:

Still trying to keep this positive.

But here I go... If we do option "A" will it be "CAC" or "NCAC" If it is "CAC" does that mean there is no NCAC for 2006? I shouldn't have said "series" earlier, that is not right. "Championship" would have been right. It is an ultimatum to create a break away championship that not only covers NC, but one ups NCAC by including SC as well (bigger is always better!). Respectful is not scheduling another championship on the same weekend. Now if this was a unified decision (which as it is being explained, it was not. It sounds like it was done without THSCC feedback), then I am wrong.

Stephen Westerfield wrote:

They will be holding an event on the weekend in question in Greensboro that will tentatively be called the "Carolina Autocross Championship".

We have to wait and see at this point.

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:20 pm

Keith Quistorff wrote:

Is there a particular reason we can't stick with the original plan of having the 8/19 Carolina Autocross Championship date count as the August THSCC points event? Will we not be given full access to the results, etc.? The reason I ask is because moving the THSCC points event to the weekend prior to previously planned and hoping to get a decent draw of THSCC people at the Carolina Autocross Championships the following Saturday and Sunday sounds like a tall order.

Ryan is out of town until next week. That could be discussed when he gets back, but right now, these are the options. We can take this up when he gets back. Right now just vote on what you want our involvement to be at the event in G'boro. If that is what we decide to do, I am sure they would give us the results to use as we please for our own "season points".

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