Facebook page goes bad again

Steven Spampinato · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:06 am

I am rather disappointed in the behavior of certain members of other clubs on how we are handling NCAC.

Their posts are very rude, sarcastic, and downright blatantly demeaning in tone. I cannot understand why we collectively could not delete the post and address their question with a new post.

I did the best I could not to be a total ass back to them. I did what I could to show them the respect I think they lacked towards THSCC. However, they has some valid questions we needed to respond to.

Additionally, there were some comments I did not appreciate from a few club members that…let’s just say cancerous at times to the public voice of this club. No matter how much I loved it when certain people were told to fuck off!

We need to cut this out, and delete the posts and answer their questions. It is not censorship if we respond.

I have a great deal of respect for all of you; however, I am disappointed. We either make a ladies class, or we could tell them all….this is how we do it and too bad. Then offer to help if they have a 3 or more driver car somehow. It seems making a ladies class will make them causally relax, so I agree with Brice Johnson and just make the class.

But this is my JIST…next time delete the post and answer their question. What is the issue in that?

Carlton Whitehead · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:23 am

I agree it's very unfortunate that the autocrossers from other clubs in the state feel they can come onto our page and be so rude and disrespectful. I had to bite my tongue and type all of my sarcastic rude responses in a separate text editor outside of Facebook and then just delete them, which was at least cathartic. It's not worth it to feed the trolls.

In the midst of all of that, there was at least one important logistical question. Using a gender-restricted class as a co-driving logistics and tire saving aid seems really weird to me. Why not just rebrand it "Co-drivers' Class" with no gender restriction? We aren't affiliated with SCCA so we don't have to follow all of their rules to the letter if we don't want to. That way we get to put a little bit of a THSCC spin on it and meet the stated needs at the same time.

Patrice Bousquet · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:25 am

+1000

Andrew Jonell · **Joined:** Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:43 pm **Posts:** 1350

The issue is that the Facebook page has open permissions versus requiring moderator approval for everything. Someone posed a question at 9pm on a school night in an aggressive tone, and then got bent out of shape that they didn't get the answer instantaneously.

Outside of the concern trolling (yeah, I'm sure that the former president of Triad has zero contact information as to how to contact our officers), a bunch of people wanted to make it known that 1. I'm not going NCAC, and 2. THSCC SUCKS HAHAHAHAH SUCK IT NERDS. Like not to prop up Remchak as an ambassador of the club or anything, but his responses were 100% on target seeing how the crux of the issue was a bunch of white dudes asking about ladies class. If you can't see the inherit humor in that, I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah, Remchak takes it too far, but the most awful stuff was other clubs straight up advertising and dissuading people from going to our events on our page.

Either lock it down or tell people that they're on a short leash.

Zach Hill · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:39 am

I'd like to propose that we rename the THSCC facebook group (which is completely public, and has almost 1,200 members) to something like "North Carolina motorsport enthusiasts" and let it continue as an open, unmoderated discussion place for all things motorsports in NC, which is basically what it is right now.

The private THSCC forum would continue to be the place where our members can "cut loose" and have heated debates with other club members.

The THSCC facebook presence would be replaced by a facebook "Page" for THSCC, which has a few key differences from a "group," namely that we can post officially as the page (and delegate the ability to do so to officers and staff), and anybody can subscribe to the page for updates. Others can post to the page like they do a group, however those posts are not shown very prominently and I think we would be more justified to moderate those posts since it would be the official club page.

I have to say that the behaviour by Remchak (and many others, but I believe he was one of the few THSCC members posting so negatively, downright instigating hatred and blatantly spreading misinformation) on the THSCC facebook yesterday has had only one result, and that is to make our club look bad and alienate noobies who may be looking at our group. Whether or not that was your intent I frankly don't care, but that is exactly what you have done and it really disappoints me as I'm pretty sure you knew exactly what you were doing. I just don't get it.

As to why everyone seems to be out to hate THSCC this year that's beyond me and I'm pretty tired of it. I'm going to try my best to keep moving forward to put on good events, take reasonable feedback and criticism into account, and ignore all the rest.

Zach Hill · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:41 am

Someone mentioned NCAC by-laws. Does anyone know if this actually exists? Or are they just making rules up so that we cater to them? If they really exist, then we will adhere to them.

FrancisChan · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:53 am

Agreed with the change of FB pages/groups. It's what several other clubs I've been part of have done to avoid any confusion between the Club's opinions and it's members

If you ever get a copy of the by-laws I'd suggest throwing them up online if they aren't already.

Jason Mauldin · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:28 am

Carlton Whitehead wrote:

In the midst of all of that, there was at least one important logistical question. Using a gender-restricted class as a co-driving logistics and tire saving aid seems really weird to me. Why not just rebrand it "Co-drivers' Class" with no gender restriction? We aren't affiliated with SCCA so we don't have to follow all of their rules to the letter if we don't want to. That way we get to put a little bit of a THSCC spin on it and meet the stated needs at the same time.

The problem is deviating away from SCCA classes. If you stay consistent with the SCCA then the members can run any of the clubs and you'll have a good general idea of how to handle logistics. Plus you don't have to carry around a different set of class letters for each club.

When you start deviating away from the way everyone else does things, you start creating animosity. Which is part of what you're seeing here. They don't see "why" you have removed Ladies class, they just see that you have, and then they form their own opinion as to why you did it. For example, if I weren't part of the forums, I would assume that the club is less family oriented now since my wife and I would have to run in the same run group and would need to find a babysitter for the child while we are running/working.

Rob Keehner · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:34 am

We have admins on the page. They aren't doing anything. Every other Facebook group on earth simply bans people and deletes posts. It works and forces those that are left to be civil. Moderators need to do their job.

You can't do nothing and hope it goes away. I said it last year and you didn't listen. Remchak is a useless talentless bum who doesn't run our events, doesn't participate, and is a detriment. Ban hammer, he has no purpose in open communication on our page.

We have no outreach in a private forum. Our webpage is minimal. We have no way to communicate easily with people at large. SCCA used to be called the Secret Car Club of America and we'll be way down that road if you shut off the taps. It's cutting off your arm to cure a headache.

Rob Keehner · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:40 am

Quote:

When you start deviating away from the way everyone else does things, you start creating animosity. Which is part of what you're seeing here. They don't see "why" you have removed Ladies class, they just see that you have, and then they form their own opinion as to why you did it. For example, if I weren't part of the forums, I would assume that the club is less family oriented now since my wife and I would have to run in the same run group and would need to find a babysitter for the child while we are running/working.

They decided to add it back in about 5 minutes... While the internet trolls went at it unmoderated. I like Carltons idea for no gender restriction. But the real problem is the unmoderated forum.

The main argument against doing so is it further dilutes the field. SCCA has added so many new classes and categories over the past 8 years it's obsurd so on the local level we have 100 entrants with 2 cars per class.

Jason Mauldin · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:44 am

Rob Keehner wrote:

We have no outreach in a private forum. Our webpage is minimal. We have no way to communicate easily with people at large. SCCA used to be called the Secret Car Club of America and we'll be way down that road if you shut off the taps. It's cutting off your arm to cure a headache.

I think this is one of the biggest problems that you guys are facing right now. One of the worst things that the current admin was handed was this completely "private" forum. It is doing you no favors.

Jason Mauldin · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:47 am

Rob Keehner wrote:

The main argument against doing so is it further dilutes the field. SCCA has added so many new classes and categories over the past 8 years it's obsurd so on the local level we have 100 entrants with 2 cars per class.

I don't disagree with your sentiment, but I think that the "diluted" field would work itself out. Most people like competition, and they'll find it by moving to more populated classes.

FrancisChan · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:56 am

Rob Keehner wrote:

Our webpage is minimal.

Working on it!

JamesMilko · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:01 pm

Zach Hill wrote:

Someone mentioned NCAC by-laws. Does anyone know if this actually exists? Or are they just making rules up so that we cater to them? If they really exist, then we will adhere to them.

I'm curious to see if these actually exist. I remember the club cup being tallied a few different ways in the past. That implies there are weak bylaws, if any.

FrancisChan · **Posted:** Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:04 pm

JamesMilko wrote:

Zach Hill wrote:

Someone mentioned NCAC by-laws. Does anyone know if this actually exists? Or are they just making rules up so that we cater to them? If they really exist, then we will adhere to them.

I'm curious to see if these actually exist. I remember the club cup being tallied a few different ways in the past. That implies there are weak bylaws, if any.

Even if they do exist I'm wondering if they have been ratified by all of the clubs in NC or at least the ones attending.

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