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JamesMilko · **Posted:** Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:02 pm

I think it is more the people who blanket complain "THSCC loves pivot cones.". While completely discounting that having them makes a 35 second site into a 45 second site.

Andrew Jonell · **Joined:** Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:43 pm **Posts:** 1350

JenniferBedell wrote:

Chris and I think we are professional course-design critics, so it's possible people have heard static from us, and if so I apologize. But lest you think we limit it to griping about locals, you should hear us at a Pro, where we really let them have it.

At the same time, I know the people you're talking about. Some people are never gonna be happy, no matter what you do. Can't please all the people all the time.

One of the guys who was complaining about NCAC lives in SC. Sounds fishy; I'm sensing a false flag operation going on.

JenniferBedell · **Posted:** Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:21 pm

JamesMilko wrote:

I think it is more the people who blanket complain "THSCC loves pivot cones.". While completely discounting that having them makes a 35 second site into a 45 second site.

I have heard people be just as general about "Triad people." Goes around, comes around, people are going to characterize us as a club, fairly or unfairly, based on a couple surface impressions.

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

We COULD be stricter about our course design rules and following of guidelines, but instead we choose to be more inclusive and let people try their hand at it. I could be wrong, but I think we are the only club that leaves course design up to non-officers/staff of the club. The GM of the event has veto power for safety reasons only, but technically the event chairs have autonomy to put as many pivots or undesirable elements on a course as they want. Anyone remember "Drag me to Sanford?"

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:56 pm

JamesMilko wrote:

I think it is more the people who blanket complain "THSCC loves pivot cones.". While completely discounting that having them makes a 35 second site into a 45 second site.

What's actually funny about the whole pivot-cone-saga with some people, is that there is a HUGE amount you can learn about car control and autocrossing by becoming *really* good at pivot cone execution -- especially pivot cones that have a high approach speed. Just consider how complex and detailed a properly done pivot cone element is along with the huge skills acquisition opportunity it represents: (1) the ability to judge the proper braking application point and going from maximum acceleration at 50mph to threshold braking in the smoothest possible fashion, (2) the ability to transition from threshold braking into smooth trailbraking on turn-in so you reach peak cornering g's at the back-sided-late-apex of the cone just after coming off the brake completely all the while thinking about that inside rear tire, (3) the ability to smoothly roll on full throttle on track out from the cone and get ready for the next element.

That entire process of dealing with a high speed entry pivot cone element is literally filled with many of the car control skills you need to be successful in autocross. If you can't master a pivot cone element, you are not up to your potential elsewhere in autocross (imo of course

).

BriceJohnson wrote:

Anyone remember "Drag me to Sanford?"

Brice, was that Sanford event an end of the year fun event about 10 years ago where I think Walter had the 1/10 mile flying finish coming back up the taxiway? I remember taking the M5 to that event and having a blast getting deep into 3rd. It seems like there might have been another point on that course where I was got deep into 3rd also (90+ mph).

RobLupella · **Posted:** Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:42 pm

Chuck Branscomb wrote:

JamesMilko wrote:

I think it is more the people who blanket complain "THSCC loves pivot cones.". While completely discounting that having them makes a 35 second site into a 45 second site.

What's actually funny about the whole pivot-cone-saga with some people, is that there is a HUGE amount you can learn about car control and autocrossing by becoming *really* good at pivot cone execution -- especially pivot cones that have a high approach speed. Just consider how complex and detailed a properly done pivot cone element is along with the huge skills acquisition opportunity it represents: (1) the ability to judge the proper braking application point and going from maximum acceleration at 50mph to threshold braking in the smoothest possible fashion, (2) the ability to transition from threshold braking into smooth trailbraking on turn-in so you reach peak cornering g's at the back-sided-late-apex of the cone just after coming off the brake completely all the while thinking about that inside rear tire, (3) the ability to smoothly roll on full throttle on track out from the cone and get ready for the next element.

That entire process of dealing with a high speed entry pivot cone element is literally filled with many of the car control skills you need to be successful in autocross. If you can't master a pivot cone element, you are not up to your potential elsewhere in autocross (imo of course

).

I agree with this. I used to HATE Pivot cones until I sort of learned how to deal with them. I still am only fair with them but I consider them a challenge. Maybe the boys who whine about them need to go back to drag racing.

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:31 pm

Chuck Branscomb wrote:

Brice, was that Sanford event an end of the year fun event about 10 years ago where I think Walter had the 1/10 mile flying finish coming back up the taxiway? I remember taking the M5 to that event and having a blast getting deep into 3rd. It seems like there might have been another point on that course where I was got deep into 3rd also (90+ mph).

Walter had the highest trap speed at the finish that day, but I'm pretty sure I was still FTD and FTPax in the CSP Spyder, which had him a bit peeved. :sing:

I was pretty deep in third as well, obviously.

--Donnie

steve remchak · **Posted:** Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:52 pm

I was there in my Z06. Slow.....

George Bright · **Posted:** Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:54 pm

I ran some of the first Rocky Mount events when we had the whole airport to use. At the end of the long runway was a pivot cone. I came into it at 90 mph in a HS Datsun 510. That was a sphincter tingling experience. Jim Knowles was in a prepared Corvette on the rev limiter at 130. Solo II stretched a little.

Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:49 pm

I used to hate pivot/pin cones until I finally learned to get the braking point right. The 2-1-2 shift didn't really bother me either, especially in a RWD car. Chuck made a good point about threshold braking and keeping the car smooth for a quick exit. Running at Greenville felt like it was basically a course with a pivot at each end of the lot that you went around a couple of times each. :lol:

Still a good time though, well, maybe with the exception of the day that it felt like about 120° heat index on the blacktop surface.

Obviously on a large site like Z-Max or Cherry Point it would make little sense to have a pivot and just keep the course open & flowing which is more fun anyway. Pivots exist because some lots almost dictate them unless you want a 25 second course.

The Danville pivot never really bothered me but I can see why the kart drivers are huge fans since they kill all their momentum.

Arthur McDonald · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:54 am **Posts:** 2052

BriceJohnson wrote:

We COULD be stricter about our course design rules and following of guidelines, but instead we choose to be more inclusive and let people try their hand at it. I could be wrong, but I think we are the only club that leaves course design up to non-officers/staff of the club. The GM of the event has veto power for safety reasons only, but technically the event chairs have autonomy to put as many pivots or undesirable elements on a course as they want. Anyone remember "Drag me to Sanford?"

Yes, I do. You gotta problem with that?

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Arthur McDonald · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:54 am **Posts:** 2052

Please have pity on me, but what does "SRS BSNS" mean?

Regarding the "NCAC Rules Committee", now that we know what it isn't, we should have name tags for all of our officers (or even all attending THSCC members) to wear next weekend that say "NCAC Rules Committee".

steve remchak · **Posted:** Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:21 pm

Arthur McDonald wrote:

BriceJohnson wrote:

We COULD be stricter about our course design rules and following of guidelines, but instead we choose to be more inclusive and let people try their hand at it. I could be wrong, but I think we are the only club that leaves course design up to non-officers/staff of the club. The GM of the event has veto power for safety reasons only, but technically the event chairs have autonomy to put as many pivots or undesirable elements on a course as they want. Anyone remember "Drag me to Sanford?"

Yes, I do. You gotta problem with that?

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I'm thinking of an earlier event. 2006 likely.

FrancisChan · **Posted:** Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:21 pm

Arthur McDonald wrote:

Please have pity on me, but what does "SRS BSNS" mean?

Regarding the "NCAC Rules Committee", now that we know what it isn't, we should have name tags for all of our officers (or even all attending THSCC members) to wear next weekend that say "NCAC Rules Committee".

It's a play on the internet meme - http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-inter ... s-business

Alec Moody · **Joined:** Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:02 am **Posts:** 299

Is canceling NCAC and having a tarheel cookout on that day out of the question?

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