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 Post subject: Re: It's Been Fun...
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:07 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: It's Been Fun...
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:19 pm 
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I think a few things are going on simultaneously. There are complaints/concerns about (1) events, attendance and (2) schism within the club. The two can overlap, but not always. I am in no position (due to lack of personal recent experience) to comment on issues around events. However I do believe that "times are a changin'" regarding car culture, economy, evaporation of sites, etc. that makes it much harder to achieve attendance numbers of years past. I do feel there are valid issues around a schism within the club. How serious, I can’t personally measure other than understanding my personal feelings and seeing others feel the same.

Don’t get me wrong, I think there is a bit of the typical flame war stuff going on including individuals that enjoy pushing buttons for fun. But I personally feel that FB/Forum just happen to be the medium for what is a real discussion and not just “an internet argument”. At its core, IMHO, there is a problem and it can’t all be chalked up to "people will fight online".

And I get that some people feel things are just fine. And it might very well be for them. Steven Spampinato’s post was very interesting. About how at one time he didn't feel welcome and that the club was "cliquish" (don't disagree), left the club, came back and now that he fits in (maybe at home in a new clique?), he thinks things are better than ever. Am I the only one that sees the irony of that post?

Aaron Buckley wrote:
I think it's been made pretty clear by multiple posting members that there seems to be strife within the club. What the strife might be still needs to be defined and I would expect that might be an important task by the upcoming regime.

As much as people have given Aaron grief for not providing constructive feedback (and to a degree I agree that his style was intended to stir the pot and maybe wasn't the most constructive), I can say that the above post (my underline and not his) is spot on and I can’t agree more. I think it should be a topic that the 2015 officers should take up. I would love to hear a commitment from them that this will be a priority once they take the helm.

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 Post subject: Re: It's Been Fun...
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Steve is the nicest guy in the club. It is truly remarkable how nice and sincere he is, and you being snide about it is pretty disgusting.

Agreeing with Aaron over the use of the word "regime" is hilarious considering how loaded the word is.


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Andrew Jonell wrote:
Steve is the nicest guy in the club. It is truly remarkable how nice and sincere he is, and you being snide about it is pretty disgusting.

Agreeing with Aaron over the use of the word "regime" is hilarious considering how loaded the word is.

Who is "you" in the above?

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Yes, yes I am Andrew. Thanks for noticing.

And what makes you think Richard that I'm not at least a little bit serious here?

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steve remchak wrote:
Yes, yes I am Andrew. Thanks for noticing.


I think Andrew meant the other Steve.

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Vincent Keene wrote:
steve remchak wrote:
Yes, yes I am Andrew. Thanks for noticing.


I think Andrew meant the other Steve.


I can mean Remchak if he has a seat for me, then he will be as nice as the other Steve. :P


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 Post subject: Re: It's Been Fun...
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Vincent Keene wrote:
I think Andrew meant the other Steve.

Ok, I think I understand now. Thanks for helping me out there. It might be the Steve vs. Steven that threw me.
Andrew Jonell wrote:
Steve is the nicest guy in the club. It is truly remarkable how nice and sincere he is, and you being snide about it is pretty disgusting.

I apologize to Steven (or anyone else) that took my "irony" comment wrong. It clearly didn't work as intended. I have no reason to doubt his sincerity or validity of his comment. My point was that I completely sympathize with what he is saying. Just reverse the order of welcomeness from less -> more to... more -> less. And for many it would be equally true. Irony is hard online even when you try to spell it out. :( And while I think clique might be the right word, it is likely overly strong in that it can have a negative connotation if your definition includes exclusion, or at least purposeful exclusion. I believe the club has and always will have some level of cliques.
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Agreeing with Aaron over the use of the word "regime" is hilarious considering how loaded the word is.

I can’t help that you like to be overly pedantic about language and choose to take things in the most negative way possible. In fact I think you look for ways to do that just to stir the pot. I can't speak to Aaron's intent, but mine was innocent.
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And what makes you think Richard that I'm not at least a little bit serious here?

I think you enjoy the reaction when a grenade is tossed. But I also think you are more than a little bit serious. You don't toss the grenade without there being a reason. And outside of the fact that you make my life difficult as a forum admin, we agree on many of these topics and I also feel that I get along with you personally. However I am not sure if you feel the same about me given how much of a hard time I feel I have been required to give you recently. Which I absolutely do not enjoy (the giving people a hard time in Admin/Moderator role). It has been a relatively soul crushing job recently. :(

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I rarely take things personally Richard and you sir are way off the radar on that front

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steve remchak wrote:
I rarely take things personally Richard and you sir are way off the radar on that front

Thank you. Nice to know. :)

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A "clique" you are way off fella! This will cost you a fun run in the 914 someday! :D No...my "clique" is eveyone who comes to an event. They need help, I will help. They need encouragement to drive better, I am there. I am the same as any other club officer to vet that is there! I am dead sure about that. :thumbsup:

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Steven Spampinato wrote:
A "clique" you are way off fella! This will cost you a fun run in the 914 someday! :D No...my "clique" is eveyone who comes to an event. They need help, I will help. They need encouragement to drive better, I am there. I am the same as any other club officer to vet that is there! I am dead sure about that. :thumbsup:


In it for the love of the game... props Bro.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:48 am 
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How is the current "leadership" any different than it was in the past? When I first came on the forums, I had a bunch of suggestions on how we should do things differently/better (run work wheel!), and was told to shut up unless I volunteered or did something to help. Sounds kinda like what Keehner said to me (and the responses I got were just as rude as his). Now Cole Trickle is an autocross VP :D .

This isn't a problem unique to THSCC. A lot of local clubs have staff and officers rapidly approaching burnout. We need people to help manage the big workload associated with running the club. Just like I was told when I first came on the forums, those who help out, their suggestions matter more. Expecting us to respond to unsolicited criticism is a bit unfair. Looking for a "commitment" from us to receive the blessing of people who don't come to our events and don't help is a bit misguided. We are just doing what we need to keep things running, and its a lot of work. We don't have bandwidth for "suggestions". There have been great "suggestions" about a redone website, a promotional video, business cards, a marketing campaign, a novice school survey, more "customer focused events", but until someone decides to do them, they won't happen. I don't mean to disparage those ideas or those who came up with them, a lot of them are really good ideas, but we just don't have the resources to pull them off. We need help. We need people like Carlton who decide "we need wireless timing results" AND THEN MAKE IT HAPPEN.

The FB thing, don't blame that on "LEADERSHIP", that was ME. I responded to multiple complaints from female members. I took it too far with my response post, and unintentionally created some odd divide between older members and younger members. There is no divde there. I LOVE the few connections we have to past membership in the autocross program, but the fact is, there aren't that many members around anymore from the early 2000's/late 90's. The participants in autocross events are newer blood these days. We'd love to see more of you come out, but it just doesn't happen. I bet if you took a poll at our events of "Who is Mike Dishman", less than 30% of participants there would even know who he is, and less than 15% have meet him. Steven, Shawn, Art, Rob L, Steve, Matt, I hope you all feel appreciated as long time members of the club who are still active autocrossers (and any of you I missed). I love seeing you at the events (Ryan H, I left you out on purpose, where you been?!).

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@ Brice, good post....

In regard to the biz cards and the video, those are going to be my personal projects for next year once I'm out from under wearing the presidents hat.

As for the focus of next year, I'm hoping the drama will drop off and we can refocus on more car related issues. I do think we need to focus on finding a new site to the center of the radar for next year. I'm REALLY hoping someone will win the lottery and we can build our own place or at least buy NCCAR!

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BriceJohnson wrote:
We don't have bandwidth for "suggestions".


Then you need to change your priorities. If in your prioritization you do not make time to listen to your paying customers you should.

As I have said, you can disagree with the message and dislike the medium of this specific example, but there is a pervasive attitude through multiple posts here. This is a membership club. The members are what make it happen. Certainly there are different levels of involvement, but each member must matter. Or they will cease to be members. And then there is no club.

I'll sit here and wait to be told to fuck off or step up.


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