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 Post subject: Re: entrant retention and the case for YLN
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:05 pm 
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jeremy gast wrote:
and i bet if you ask his wife he runs away from anything like that.

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you must really want me to quit Rodney.


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This is way too easy to do........

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 Post subject: Re: entrant retention and the case for YLN
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:08 pm 
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Steven Carter wrote:
Ah....OK, so I'm dense. YLN = Year Long Novice?


I was following this intently when I thought YLN = Young Lovely Nympho :P

Nevermind - I'll get back to work.

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Cash Davidson wrote:
Steven Carter wrote:
Ah....OK, so I'm dense. YLN = Year Long Novice?


I was following this intently when I thought YLN = Young Lovely Nympho :P

Nevermind - I'll get back to work.



OMG you are the second person to think that.......

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lol.... that's classic

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 Post subject: Re: entrant retention and the case for YLN
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Before this thread dies, I'd like to encourage all THSCC experienced autocrossers to (or continue to for many of us) touch base with a 'hello and welcome' to unfamiliar faces. To take it a step further, grab your helmet and find a Novice to ride with in group 1 or 2 if you're not working or running yet. Very, very few Novices ever turn down an instructor to ride with them and the impact you'll make is tremendous, plus they'll be looser and more comfortable, which only translates to quicker learning and better driving.

I shared my first event experience with Rodney in a PM last night and it's worth repeating.

Flashback to April '03. "Speed Thrills". Sanford. First event for me and I found THSCC through the googles, showed up, didn't know a soul, and knew victory was imminent because a had a new shinny Type R. :roll: http://thscc.com/autocross/events/2003/ ... 7indx.html

Seven hours later, I was really bummed, stunk it up, didn't really meet anyone, packed up my stuff and as I was getting ready to leave, prez at the time, Shawn Whipple pulls up in his prepped DS yellow ITR, offers a ridealong, I jump in and have a totally new perspective of how to get through the course quickly and realized that it's okay to slide the car a bit to be quick (now I know it's called slip angle and even just read a book that explained the optimal angle and how it affects speed :roll: ). Ten minutes before this I had sworn off autocross as another 'tried that'. Just riding with a Novice and/or letting them ride along with you can really boost confidence and there's a much higher likelihood they'll be back for another event. :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: entrant retention and the case for YLN
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and Matt that is what I am saying. An extra 5 mins WOULD go a long way!! That is definately something I am gonna work on this year.

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 Post subject: Re: entrant retention and the case for YLN
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That was the first event I chaired. (co-chaired with Hoppe) :D

Also, I like being a bad influence on novices.


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 Post subject: Re: entrant retention and the case for YLN
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I agree with all this novice encouragement stuff, I always find it rewarding to watch a novice's time drop and see the light go on.

I'll resurrect Graham and my idea from years ago and see if I can get a list together of experienced AX'ers who are willing to ride with/give rides to Novices. They don't have to always, but it would be nice to know who we can ask. Maybe we can get them buttons and let novices know that if they have a green button they are novice friendly, if they don't they are crabby ba*ta@ds and don't talk to them ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: entrant retention and the case for YLN
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The Case for YLN

while most people will tell you that being recognized at an AutoX for their accomplishments is not necessary, inside they really appreciate it. especially a Newb.


1) year end rewards / recognition. do we currently have a "Rookie of the Year" award?

2) "Most Improved Novice Award" do we currently have one of these?

possible structure of a YLN class:

split the season into two seperate periods for points. this way if one person is skunking everyone they are done in NOV after the midpoint of the season. but still eligible for the above noted season awards.

lower the required number of events to qualify for season points from the current six to only four for NOV. this might encourage some newbs to do an extra event or two.

allow newbs to compete for season points without the mandate of joining THSCC. if they decide to stick with autoX they will surely consider joing the club on their own.


look, just throwing some ideas out there at the moment. maybe later this evening my thought process will be more inspired. :lol: :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: entrant retention and the case for YLN
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I like the idea of only 4 events for Novice.

Plus, when you ride with Novices you're sort of gaining an advantage by seeing the course from the passenger's seat (albeit the wrong line sometimes), especially if you're typically one of the slackers that gets out of bed late and shows up late for one course walk. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: entrant retention and the case for YLN
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Matt McGrain wrote:
I like the idea of only 4 events for Novice.

Plus, when you ride with Novices you're sort of gaining an advantage by seeing the course from the passenger's seat (albeit the wrong line sometimes), especially if you're typically one of the slackers that gets out of bed late and shows up late for one course walk. :lol:

Ummmmmm, you do realize there is nothing stopping you from riding with any competitor before you take your first run. In fact, I found that to be one of the biggest learning aids at an autocross.

I can't imagine that as a club, we would want to disadvantage our members by not allowing them to do this.

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 Post subject: Re: entrant retention and the case for YLN
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Judging by Steve's post in my thread, I think Steve just wants the club's approval to let him run in Novice this year because he hasn't been out in so long.

I'm open to the idea.


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 Post subject: Re: entrant retention and the case for YLN
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:28 pm 
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steve remchak wrote:
The Case for YLN

while most people will tell you that being recognized at an AutoX for their accomplishments is not necessary, inside they really appreciate it. especially a Newb.


1) year end rewards / recognition. do we currently have a "Rookie of the Year" award?

2) "Most Improved Novice Award" do we currently have one of these?

possible structure of a YLN class:

split the season into two seperate periods for points. this way if one person is skunking everyone they are done in NOV after the midpoint of the season. but still eligible for the above noted season awards.

lower the required number of events to qualify for season points from the current six to only four for NOV. this might encourage some newbs to do an extra event or two.

allow newbs to compete for season points without the mandate of joining THSCC. if they decide to stick with autoX they will surely consider joing the club on their own.


look, just throwing some ideas out there at the moment. maybe later this evening my thought process will be more inspired. :lol: :twisted:


I like it. :thumbsup:

I plan on being more open to novices as well, esp since I have no chance in STR to get those kewl year-end plaques...I was making this a development season and wpuld be happy to ridealong as needed.

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 Post subject: Re: entrant retention and the case for YLN
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Steve Remchak for 2013 Novice Coordinator!!!!!!

Damn Steve either you have stopped drinking before posting or you have increased it cause you are actually making sense :? :wink:

From my perspective riding along is of limited benefit for my runs. It usually is the wrong line which gets me thinking wrong, although it does help learn the course. This is offset by my lack of short term memory which means I've forgotten it by the time I run :oops: It is also tiring to get in and out of cars then jump in yours then jump in another........

I like the YLN and Rookie of the Year (which could incorporate most improved) ideas. I don't know if we have to limit it to 4 events, but it should be capped at some number to account for mid year joiners.

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