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I think the more class would be a bad idea as we have problems making numbers now. If we had more class then we would have 5 first place and NO seconds!!!!

There truly is no car that is not as good as another! I HAD a forester turbo and have been beat by less powerful and more powerful cars. It is mainly a driving event not a car event. Especially if it is muddy!!!!

I think for now the class we have ARE perfect we just need to drum up more cars. We consistently get 50 cars and fill the entrants then class would prob be a good idea.

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2004 mazdaspeed miata bsp #77
shifter kart also(someone buy this $1500)

I don't know about this particular minivan, but the Honda Odyssey can beat a Porsche 356 and Jaguar XKE at autocross

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articl ... s-revenge/

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"Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll stay warm the rest of his life."
'93 Subaru Legacy DIRTBOMB
'98 BMW M3
2013 Rallyx Co-VP

Yeah - the scrap prices really bottomed out earlier this year, but have come up some now. They were 4 cents/pound for auto scrap a little over a month ago. That would be $120 for a 3000 pound vehicle, and I would sell some of the easy parts on eBay before scrapping it.

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91 RallyX Audi Coupe Quattro
89 A-Team Astro-van demo derby winner at 2011 NC State Fair (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MrZqwENRqU)
Broken 89 Subaru GL-10 RallyX turbo wagon - need to sell it and all my parts cars

I agree up to a point. But for example - if Mark Hoerath's WRX/JDM machine hadn't blown a bead at the last event, none of us could have caught him. We were close in the mud, but not in the dry. With his power, limited slip diffs front and rear, and an adjustable center diff, it definitely makes a difference. Same goes for if you spend significant money on high-end aftermarket struts. (I am NOT saying in this case he should be in another class, just giving example of a really good car)

Other example - I don't think there is a *stock*-ish RWD car that could beat the FWDs in xU2 or xO2. And the same with any near-stock SUV or truck in the x04 class vs the AWD cars. Having a separate class for these guys *might* encourage them to attend.

The other one - limited-slip or locked front diffs in SU2. When's the last time one of them hasn't won? Granted, they are very good drivers , but when is the last time someone like the Guthries have beaten them? Someone mentioned that we need more SU2 entries. What can you enter so that you'll have a chance to beat an SER? Maybe some other FWD car with an aftermarket front LSD.

I'm not ragging on anyone, and I'm not trying to complain about capable cars. It's just that I know it's fun to win sometimes, and with certain vehicles, there is little chance. *I have personally* tried to convince people to attend, but they won't because they feel they have no chance of winning. I guess it's no fun if they don't think there's even a chance to win in their vehicle.

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91 RallyX Audi Coupe Quattro
89 A-Team Astro-van demo derby winner at 2011 NC State Fair (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MrZqwENRqU)
Broken 89 Subaru GL-10 RallyX turbo wagon - need to sell it and all my parts cars

simple answer. run multiple cars on the course at one time. full contact RallyX.

stinking LSD SERs beware. bah ahhaaahahahahahah

i'm sorry, but Richard, if your friends don't want to play because they feel they have no chance of winning; they are just not that into it as a whole.

i ran 3 years before i stumbled upon a trophy position.

hell, i AutoX'd for three years and never came close. in a Z06 at that.

and as for the cars in SU2 being the culprit, I'm guessing the perennial front runners could whip most of us anyway in any vehicle.

skill plays heavily in RallyX, that would be why the SU2 cars can finish ahead of AWD cars.

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BenchWarmer Motorsports

another one of those damn LeMons heads

just another Chump

we are an Autocross Club Dammit............

Oh gawd, I agree with Remchak- time to start burying buses in the backyard and stocking up on potted meat............again.

Im just curious. and I dont like to compare different clubs..

but the SCCA up north just ran a rallyX with 12 people, and one about 2 weeks ago with 10 people.

shocking. I asked my friend who ran in it how they did it and he said a few things...

They use 1 person per station
They have a designated safety steward (which I believe he said lowers insurance rates)
They dont have plaques/magnets, just a certificate
and of course they ran at a guys house who already had cones and stuff.

But I was curious what we could do do help with $$. Im not saying get rid of the plaques/magnets, but how can we lower insurance? and cost?

We make minimum $625 for a race of 25 people (at $25 a head). if it can be discussed, how much is insurance per month/race or however its calculated? how much is field rental (Kevins, Brets, OCS)? How much does the bust cost to run for an event, how much is porta potty?

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1998 Integra Type R - track fun
1999 Subaru 2.5RS - dirt fun

Kourosh, this is really getting into the realm of meeting discussions here, IMO.

the parties that have these answers and pay these expenses, and of course the officers we elected, attend the meetings way more than they haunt the forums.

if you are truly dedicated to this program's survival i would suggest you start attending the meetings.

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BenchWarmer Motorsports

another one of those damn LeMons heads

just another Chump

we are an Autocross Club Dammit............

Marek and I will be at the meeting on 09-Sept. Kourosh - can you make it? Who else will be there?

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91 RallyX Audi Coupe Quattro
89 A-Team Astro-van demo derby winner at 2011 NC State Fair (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MrZqwENRqU)
Broken 89 Subaru GL-10 RallyX turbo wagon - need to sell it and all my parts cars

Kourosh,
This has been our typical costs...

Our insurance runs around $300 per event.
Site fees range from $300-500/day or $500-750 per weekend.
Plaques/Magnets - I'm guessing $100
(Typically 50 magnets and 10 plaques)
Port-a-john $75
Bus fuel $30-50

6 minutes of RallyX seat time - Priceless (sorry couldn't resist)

(8 minutes at the last event)

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"Ruttin' is racing"

Chris Suich
Apex, NC
AutoX 2012 Nissan Leaf (Quietly changing the world)
AutoX 2003 Mini Cooper S (on sabbatical)
RallyX 1993 Nissan Sentra - "Le Tigre"
FunX 1970 Camaro LT1 ('95)

Guys, please realize that the executive staff has gone through the expenses to identify areas where we could save.

SCCA has a very different structure and handles insurance at a national level. Their cost structures may be very different than ours. Our insurance is maintained at a club level, and has broader considerations beyond any individual RallyX event. Sites fees are negotiated individually with site owners. I'd be happy to discuss these items further in person at the meeting or via phone, but the specifics beyond what has been said already should not be discussed in a public forum.

Event magnets/trophies are the primary "luxury" in the cost structure.

The sum total here is that we already operate pretty thin - what we need are drivers!

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Dustin Fredrickson
-- I'm a nobody --

and that is saying it. Everyone needs to talk to a friend, pass th word, post on some forums Spread the news! We need to keep this going!!!!!!!

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2000 miata se Estreet,going to rally
2004 mazdaspeed miata bsp #77
shifter kart also(someone buy this $1500)

Its my understanding the club is not for profit, but just for us to go out and have some fun. That being said, can we take profits from the other portions of the club, IE track and autoX and use that to advertice on public radio or maybe a page in the news paper? If it works and starts producing a turnout, I would imagine ralyX would be able to pay back whoever they took the money from.

I am only bringing this up because I havent seen anyone realy talk much about dong an even better job at advertising. I also have ABSOLUTLY no clue how much taking any form of add out would cost us.

well, obviously Jason, you haven't been indoctrinated into the elitist koolaide brigade yet. we don't want just anybody playing in our sandbox.

i kid. sort of. the club is a non-profit organization if i understand that correctly. however it does have expenses.

as such programs that severely drain the coffers can not be kept around forever.

and it is my understanding that we have always felt the need as a club to sort of stay under the radar so to speak. prying eyes tend to ruin a good thing. word of mouth advertising has worked over the years.

now one thing i might suggest is pursuing Stacy's idea of listing our events (AutoX & RallyX) on www.motorsportreg.com

at least then the right sort of people would be seeing our events.

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BenchWarmer Motorsports

another one of those damn LeMons heads

just another Chump

we are an Autocross Club Dammit............

motorspotreg sounds like a good idea.

I dont understand why advertising is a bad idea. I always thought advertising was a good thing. Maybe done over a more appropriate median than newspaper/radio.

Please help me understand why not telling people who dont know about our rallyX events is a bad idea. Im not trying to fight or argue here, i just want to understand.