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Kevin Allen
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Kevin used to claim that it was the driver (Robe Bergstrom) that was beating us, not his car. Then he (Rob) and Stephen switched cars for a run. Stephen was right on Rob's time with only one run. Rob didn't do so well in The General. Driver or car? Hmmmm.


I still say Rob's a better driver than all you guys, regardless of what his one and only run ever in your POS seems to indicate to you. :P

(I'm a scientist, so I don't give much merit to single-run experiments)

The biggest thing about going fast on a rallyx course is how easy the car is to drive fast. If you have a car that's really easy to drive fast (like a certain silver 2.5RS I know), you can just about cruise to victory. If you drive a POS that requires absolute perfection of technique, guess what results you should expect...

I remember going from my 2.5RS on rally tires to my STi on tarmac tires for a fun run at an event last year. It took me the whole first half of the course to make the transition in driving style necessary to even control the car. Fortunately, rallyboy only caught the last 1/4 of the run on video, so it didn't look too bad. :lol:

And I still say a 400hp Mustang is going to get stomped by a 150hp - and probably 71hp - fwd car, regardless of LSD or no LSD. If you guys don't think front engine/rwd is at the worst disadvantage, bring one rallyxing next year. :D
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PJ Aspesi wrote:
after seeing SO2 times versus any garden variety general lei driver, I'd say no way. The weight is a big disadvantage.


Hey, hey, now let's not confuse engine size with weight. Want to make a proposal based on weight?

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Kevin Allen wrote:
I still say a 400hp Mustang is going to get stomped by a 150hp - and probably 71hp - fwd car, regardless of LSD or no LSD.


That is one thing we agree on. RWD = teh suck in RX. If Whitney can't make one fast nobody can.

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it's obviously your decision to run a POS, so I don't think you have much basis to complain about also not finishing better


I'm not really complaining. I was just pointing out that an extra 70HP and an LSD does matter. I'm out there to have fun foremost and winning is secondary. Like you said if that was my primary goal I'd need to get a better car. If I was pissed about not winning I would have quit a long time ago. I've only missed two of our event since we started, and that was only because I was at VIR at the time. I love RX, winning or not!

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With your stellar drive at the last event, you have shown it can be done, so I think doubts about the driver part of the equation should be pretty much settled now.


Kevin still isn't convinced. :P

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Want to make a proposal based on weight?

OK, Walter and Stephen obviously go in the heavy class, and PJ goes in the light one, but where would you draw the line? Would 200lbs be too low?

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Walter and Stephen obviously go in the heavy class


Ouch!

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Carl Fisher wrote:
MikeWhitney wrote:
Want to make a proposal based on weight?

OK, Walter and Stephen obviously go in the heavy class, and PJ goes in the light one, but where would you draw the line? Would 200lbs be too low?

;-)


maybe we should base it on height. not that there is anything wrong with that.
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MikeWhitney wrote:
Want to make a proposal based on weight?

OK, Walter and Stephen obviously go in the heavy class, and PJ goes in the light one, but where would you draw the line? Would 200lbs be too low?

;-)


Weighing in at 225 I think I could be a ringer.

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MikeWhitney wrote:
Want to make a proposal based on weight?

OK, Walter and Stephen obviously go in the heavy class, and PJ goes in the light one, but where would you draw the line? Would 200lbs be too low?

;-)


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PJ Aspesi wrote:
after seeing SO2 times versus any garden variety general lei driver, I'd say no way. The weight is a big disadvantage.


I agree with PJ. There would be no point in us attending in those cars. I bought The Dog and have spent a little money based on the current classification. :x Vincent is correct too. We would just get beat with no chance of being competitive. I'd just stay home.
We had plenty of cars in SO2 at the BMW farm last time. Perhaps a better solution would be to try to get more people interested in Rallycross in those types of cars?
What's the problem with several classes to make different kinds of car competitive?

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I think that the SO2 cars that run are much heavier than the SU2 cars, basically making the horsepower disadvantage non-existant. As far as I remember SU2 times are much faster than SO2. But I realize my car sucks anyway....

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If it wasn't missing, it would be better and you would be competitive.
I think you have a fuel problem from it sitting up so much with little gas in the tank.

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that would be two Votes for no. doesn't sound like a popular idea. i say drop the 2WD change motion.
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Pete Guthrie
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so if i showed up in a tdi vlkswagen, would i be in a bigger class, cast iorn everything equals really stupidly heavy, also, istand about 194 lbs..

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[quote="Kevin Allen

And I still say a 400hp Mustang is going to get stomped by a 150hp - and probably 71hp - fwd car, regardless of LSD or no LSD. If you guys don't think front engine/rwd is at the worst disadvantage, bring one rallyxing next year. :D[/quote]



What he said.

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