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 Post subject: Tire Mounting Stupidity
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 12:37 pm 
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My co-driver and I decided to head up to Donnie's to dismount 4 tires and remount them on the OEM's and then put on a new set of V710's. I've mounted a fair share of tires before (helping out over at Hubcap Heaven) and I've used Donnie's machine when helping him mount tires, so I felt like we were golden.

245/35/18's go on 8" rims all day long. Problem is, some 18's are harder to mount then others... more on that later.

So I break the beads on the first race rim and pull the tire. Everything is going as planned. So we get the new tire on and try to fill it, and get a minor kink in the bead, so it won't seat. Usually, beating the tire on the ground will flex the tire to get the bead to seat. Kumhos though have an extremely stiff sidewall.... After a lot of beating (while Bryan and Donnie laughed at me because it sounded and looked like I was having sex with a tire), we got it to seat.

Tire 2 ran about the same amount of fun... taking way too long to seat, but we finally managed to get it to work.

Tire 3 ran into a problem. We couldn't get the damn thing to seat to save our lives. We would take it off, lube the hell out of the rim and the tire and remount it, and all the beating in the world couldn't get it to seat. So we went onto Tire 4.

Same issue with Tire 4 as 3. Now we are getting frustrated. It's now 11:30pm and I have a 2 hour drive home and we have 2 of the 8 tires mounted and balanced.

So after a lot of thinking, we remember that in the desert or frozen tundra, when a tire de-beads, some use lighter fluid to get it to seat... yeah, great idea at 11:45pm at night ;)

Donnie has a lot of stuff, but lighter fluid he doesn't. Bryan and I decide to drive to the closest 24 hour grocery store in search of lighter fluid, while Donnie dismounts our old A3S04's from the OEM rims and trys to mount the old V710's on them. After returning from Lowes Foods with lighter fluid and starting fluid, we find Donnie no where to be found and the two tires that needed beading in the parking area, covered in water from a hose.

Hmmm... After finding Donnie in the electrical shop reading about beading tires with the 'explosion' method, we find out that he read that carb cleaner does the trick and tried it while we were gone, with no success. It did make an pop, but didn't seat the bead.

Well, after spending $5 on lighter fluid and starting fluid, I figured we had to try that too. After watching the online video of the dude doing this, it becomes apparent of how soft the sidewall is on an true offroad tire. I didn't let that discourage me :)

We all go outside and I put a good healthy dose of lighter fluid inside tire... After lighting a rag and throwing it on it, there is no explosion, just a nice flame on the tire... EEEK. We put out quickly with the hose. Hmmm... might as well try the starting fluid. Following the same procedure with the other tire but with starting fluid, it produces the same results... no explosion, but a nice little fire. All not good for tires that are $250 a piece, but there was no damage to the tires, for there was very little heat.

While Bryan and I were gone, Donnie was able to mount the V710's on the OEM's with no problems. :) Figures...

So, now we have 6 mounted and balanced and 2 sort of mounted :) Bryan will be dropping off the tough two tomorrow at a local shop.

All I can say is that after leaving Donnie's house at 1:45am, I realize he's a good sport and really good guy. To put up with our antics and stupidity: farting, joking, burping, etc. for 5+ hours in order to attempt to mount and balance 8 tires, well, he is up for sainthood :)

We better do well at the Peru ProSolo with the things, or I am going to write a nastygram to Kumho :) - AB

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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 12:43 pm 
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Bwhahaha....

The curse of the Hack fish is upon you.... muwhahahahaha.... I like Donnie, so I let him have no trouble with my old rims;)

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I had 8 race tires mounted and balanced for $60. Well worth it IMO. Aaron I know neither you nor Donnie are that poor...ya'll some cheap arses!

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Vincent Keene wrote:
I had 8 race tires mounted and balanced for $60. Well worth it IMO. Aaron I know neither you nor Donnie are that poor...ya'll some cheap arses!


18's around here are $25 per tire... yup, $200. Plus, knowledge is king. This just plain sucked. - AB

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Aaron Buckley wrote:
18's around here are $25 per tire... yup, $200.



$200...ouch! They charge based on the rim diameter? What a crock. Living in a hicktown does have it's advantages sometimes I guess.

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Vincent Keene wrote:

$200...ouch! They charge based on the rim diameter? What a crock. Living in a hicktown does have it's advantages sometimes I guess.


Yes and now... anything 17" or below is $12.50 per tire... It doubles above 17". Thus the trip to Donnie's although, my time and gas is worth way more than the $200 we might have saved. The humor was priceless :) - AB

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After a lot of beating (while Bryan and Donnie laughed at me because it sounded and looked like I was having sex with a tire)


donnie, did you get any pictures for the Xmas party?


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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 8:13 pm 
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I used to mount 12 ply implement tires by hand. Use a ratcheting tie down (A big one), put it around the circ. and crank it down. It will bow the tire into the rim. Another trick I used was removing the valve core, from the stem and using an air sprayer to get a bunch of air in the tire quick, this worked great to push the tire up on the rim.

If you get a burning urge to mount up some split rim dump truck tires by hand, I have some tips for that as well. Nothing like debeading a tire with a ten pound spoon/hammer


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Rick, I'll let you know as soon as the checks stop coming from Buckley about those pictures. Buckley, you might want to setup and automatic monthly payment to avoid any, err, embarassment.

Chuck, while I appreciate the tips, the reality is that your ratchet strap trick won't work on a Kumho. Tried it. Big 2" wide strap and it won't budge it, I promise. Tried it several times, in fact. The air burst thing is the first thing we tried...in fact, my tire mounting machine has a special setup for bursting air for that specific purpose. Works great on most everything, but if your kink causes enough gap, no amount of internal air pressure will move it...the air just escapes by the kink (oh, and we always remove the valve core).

These low profile tires with incredibly stiff sidewalls don't seem to follow the same rules as big fluffy off road tires. :)

I can't believe how shitty my cell internet connection is here in Kershaw. *sigh*


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 12:38 pm 
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Are you boosting your signal (Verizon right?) in any way?

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I used to work a Super Shops in Garner, we used to do some crazy stuff to get tires mounted. Top Fuel Like Drag Race Tries, Dune Buggy Tires and so on. Crazy...

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Wes Eargle wrote:
Are you boosting your signal (Verizon right?) in any way?


Donnie's on a EVDO card through Verizon. Funny thing is that he got very poor connectivity in Walnut Ridge, but when I was using my Blackberry running EVDO over it, I got better service than him... both of us on Verizon too. EVDO only costs me an additional $15 per month to tether it to the laptop. - AB

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Yeah, I think the radio in this card really just sucks. Wes, I'm not boosting the signal, no. I may try a repeater, though. I think for it to help I really want to try to put a mast on the back of the toter that lets me get the antenna 10 feet higher or so, too.


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To continue the hijack .. the "free" V620 EVDO card I just installed seems to work significantly better than my last card.
Kershaw is sort of at the southern edge of the Vz coverage hole that extends north up to the NC border.

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There are a couple of tricks you can try too to help. A lot of this will depend on the machine too. The first is to take the bar that you used when you dismount the tire and work it in the area of the kink. Specifically between the tire and the drop center. If you can do that an pry up under the tire, sometimes it snaps more into place.

The other trick is to barely break the bead across from the kink. That little pressure sometimes snaps things back in place.

Do you have a valve core remover? For stiff tires it is a good idea to remove the core before airing it up as it will increase the amount of air entering. Unless you have a bead cheater, the blast on the most machines is more or less in effective for seating a low-pro tire.

Or, just bring them to me in Wake Forest and I will do the grunt work for you!


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