Hi Po Street Tire Recommendations for C5 Z06

clinehall · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:53 am

BriceJohnson wrote:

Tire technology is making big advances, which is why a "budget" brand like continental can beat out the old guard PS2. You say you have continentals on 2 of your cars Steve, are they the Extremecontact DW's, or some other model? The sportcontact series are junk. Make sure they are the DW's, not the DWS's. DWS=DryWetSnow=All season tire. Big difference there too.

I'm not telling you that the PS2 is a bad tire, it most certainly is a good tire. Its just slightly older technology, and Michelin is too proud of them as far as what they charge (they are still aware of the tires reputation, and cashing in on it even though other tires have surpassed it). If I was going to overpay for the Michelin brand name, I would at least get their latest and greatest tire, the Pilot Super sport.

What kind of milage are you getting on the Mini with the contis?

steve remchak · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:25 am

the E46 has DWS tires, not sure about the E90. but why would i put a summer only tire on any of my vehicles?

my point of saying the PS2 is a good Z06 tire is because it is a good year-round Z06 tire. :roll:

super high performance tires on a street car is kinda like taking your sister to the prom. you are at the prom, you have a date, but you surely aren't getting your money's worth. well, unless you are from West Virginia, that is. you aren't from West Virginia are you Kevin?

clinehall · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:39 am

steve remchak wrote:

the E46 has DWS tires, not sure about the E90. but why would i put a summer only tire on any of my vehicles?

my point of saying the PS2 is a good Z06 tire is because it is a good year-round Z06 tire. :roll:

super high performance tires on a street car is kinda like taking your sister to the prom. you are at the prom, you have a date, but you surely aren't getting your money's worth. well, unless you are from West Virginia, that is. you aren't from West Virginia are you Kevin?

The car was from Roanoke, that's close.

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

steve remchak wrote:

the E46 has DWS tires, not sure about the E90. but why would i put a summer only tire on any of my vehicles?

my point of saying the PS2 is a good Z06 tire is because it is a good year-round Z06 tire. :roll:

super high performance tires on a street car is kinda like taking your sister to the prom. you are at the prom, you have a date, but you surely aren't getting your money's worth. well, unless you are from West Virginia, that is. you aren't from West Virginia are you Kevin?

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp ... +Sport+PS2

Category of tire: Max performance summer

"The Pilot Sport PS2 is not intended to be driven in near-freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice."

The DW's are likely just as capable or incapable in snow as the PS2's.

To compare apples to apples, you need to compare the DW to the PS2. Compare the DWS to the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S. I run summer only tires on all of my cars except for the Honda Element, b/c there is no need for an all season tire in NC. Most sports cars run tires that are technically "summer only".

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

clinehall wrote:

BriceJohnson wrote:

Tire technology is making big advances, which is why a "budget" brand like continental can beat out the old guard PS2. You say you have continentals on 2 of your cars Steve, are they the Extremecontact DW's, or some other model? The sportcontact series are junk. Make sure they are the DW's, not the DWS's. DWS=DryWetSnow=All season tire. Big difference there too.

I'm not telling you that the PS2 is a bad tire, it most certainly is a good tire. Its just slightly older technology, and Michelin is too proud of them as far as what they charge (they are still aware of the tires reputation, and cashing in on it even though other tires have surpassed it). If I was going to overpay for the Michelin brand name, I would at least get their latest and greatest tire, the Pilot Super sport.

What kind of milage are you getting on the Mini with the contis?

Gas mileage seems to be unaffected compared to the previous Dunlop SP Sport 9000 DSST's that were on there before.

As far as wear goes, its too early to tell. Fun runs in the dry on setup day in Laurinburg probably didn't help that situation though.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:14 pm

BriceJohnson wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

the E46 has DWS tires, not sure about the E90. but why would i put a summer only tire on any of my vehicles?

my point of saying the PS2 is a good Z06 tire is because it is a good year-round Z06 tire. :roll:

super high performance tires on a street car is kinda like taking your sister to the prom. you are at the prom, you have a date, but you surely aren't getting your money's worth. well, unless you are from West Virginia, that is. you aren't from West Virginia are you Kevin?

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp ... +Sport+PS2

Category of tire: Max performance summer

"The Pilot Sport PS2 is not intended to be driven in near-freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice."

The DW's are likely just as capable or incapable in snow as the PS2's.

To compare apples to apples, you need to compare the DW to the PS2. Compare the DWS to the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S. I run summer only tires on all of my cars except for the Honda Element, b/c there is no need for an all season tire in NC. Most sports cars run tires that are technically "summer only".

no need for an AS tire in NC? seriously? thank goodness you have MadBallr driving skills Brice. otherwise you might be in the ditch with the rest of the Triangle Area "i can drive in any weather" Contingent. you know those guys, they are up against the Jersey Barriers whenever it rains.

i understand the apples to apples Brice, i just don't think i would put Contis on a Vette. Corvette drivers are not known for extensive research.

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

Kevin Butler wrote:

What I want is a decent street tire that won't get me into trouble due to the car's power. So a good amount of grip will be necessary. I'll worry about autox and track later.

RodneyWright wrote:

enter you vette info into Tire Rack and look at the performance tests and reader feedback for their suggested tires. From there, talk to Mark Cooper at performance chassis and Jeb Brookshire at Discount tire on Milbrook rd for tire options.

Good suggestion. Problem is you only get 2 recommendations from Tire Rack.

1. Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercars - Not an option. I DON'T DO GOODYEARS.

2. Bridgestone Potenza RE760 Sports - Actually I've always liked Bridgestones for street tires. Not sure that a 340AA treadwear will be sticky enough.

Car currently has Firestones on it. Don't think much of them at the end of their life.

Clearly you need some Riken Raptors Kevin, the ultimate Corvette tire. :lol:

Actually they aren't terrible for the money, handle rain pretty well and grip okay, but they do not handle 413whp very effectively. I actually really liked the Firestone Wide Ovals on my Z06, immensely better than the badly worn Super Cars that they replaced. I don't think any tire near the end of life is gonna be impressive.

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

steve remchak wrote:

BriceJohnson wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

the E46 has DWS tires, not sure about the E90. but why would i put a summer only tire on any of my vehicles?

my point of saying the PS2 is a good Z06 tire is because it is a good year-round Z06 tire. :roll:

super high performance tires on a street car is kinda like taking your sister to the prom. you are at the prom, you have a date, but you surely aren't getting your money's worth. well, unless you are from West Virginia, that is. you aren't from West Virginia are you Kevin?

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp ... +Sport+PS2

Category of tire: Max performance summer

"The Pilot Sport PS2 is not intended to be driven in near-freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice."

The DW's are likely just as capable or incapable in snow as the PS2's.

To compare apples to apples, you need to compare the DW to the PS2. Compare the DWS to the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S. I run summer only tires on all of my cars except for the Honda Element, b/c there is no need for an all season tire in NC. Most sports cars run tires that are technically "summer only".

no need for an AS tire in NC? seriously? thank goodness you have MadBallr driving skills Brice. otherwise you might be in the ditch with the rest of the Triangle Area "i can drive in any weather" Contingent. you know those guys, they are up against the Jersey Barriers whenever it rains.

i understand the apples to apples Brice, i just don't think i would put Contis on a Vette. Corvette drivers are not known for extensive research.

I'm actually in agreement with Remchak here, I run UHP A/S on all cars except the vette. The cornering performance on the street is plenty adequate and summer only tires really suck in cold/wet weather to the point of being dangerous IMO.

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

I was under the impression that you wouldn't drive the Vette if there was snow on the ground, kind of like I am when there is snow on the ground I don't drive my cars that are on summer only tires (I drive the AWD, all season shod Element). I have the luxury of 3 cars for 2 people in our household.

I HAVE driven my mazda around in snow before (if it was light enough that both my wife and I still had to get around independently), without great difficulty, but its FWD, and as you said, I AM a mad ballr (who occasionally rocks the Crunk Juce also). I wouldn't recommend it to most people.

This argument is entirely tangential to the PS2/Conti DW comparison. Point is, the DW is a very capable tire in the same conditions that a PS2 is. I wouldn't think of putting the Continental DWS on a Vette either. I wouldn't put ANY all season tires on a Vette. If the Vette is your only way to get around, thats sort of a seperate problem altogether.

RobLupella · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:34 pm

BriceJohnson wrote:

I was under the impression that you wouldn't drive the Vette if there was snow on the ground, kind of like I am when there is snow on the ground I don't drive my cars that are on summer only tires (I drive the AWD, all season shod Element). I have the luxury of 3 cars for 2 people in our household.

I HAVE driven my mazda around in snow before (if it was light enough that both my wife and I still had to get around independently), without great difficulty, but its FWD, and as you said, I AM a mad ballr (who occasionally rocks the Crunk Juce also). I wouldn't recommend it to most people.

This argument is entirely tangential to the PS2/Conti DW comparison. Point is, the DW is a very capable tire in the same conditions that a PS2 is. I wouldn't think of putting the Continental DWS on a Vette either. I wouldn't put ANY all season tires on a Vette. If the Vette is your only way to get around, thats sort of a seperate problem altogether.

PS2 = $$$$$$$. Graham had good luck with the Firestone Wide Ovals too. If it snows just take the Diesel and keep summer tires on the Vette.

JamesMilko · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:43 pm

Why are we arguing about all season tires and if you should use summer tires year round in NC (I do). Kevin said he wanted "a good set of Hi Perf Summer Tires."

Can't go wrong with RS-3s or Dunlop Star Spec Z1s IMO, no idea about fitment for a Z06 though. If you don't mind some lowered wet performances the Kuhmo XSs are also good. All 3 are a tire you can drive on the street and straight on to the track. And none of them make silly compromises for the un-fun season.

clinehall · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:07 pm

JamesMilko wrote:

Why are we arguing about all season tires and if you should use summer tires year round in NC (I do). Kevin said he wanted "a good set of Hi Perf Summer Tires."

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Duh.

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

clinehall wrote:

JamesMilko wrote:

Why are we arguing about all season tires and if you should use summer tires year round in NC (I do). Kevin said he wanted "a good set of Hi Perf Summer Tires."

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Duh.

To make it clear, I wasn't arguing for all-season tires on the Vette for Kevin either, unless I guess if it were his year round daily driver, which I would also not recommend. Just that all-season tires are applicable for year-round daily driver cars even in NC regardless of snow fall amounts. Summer only tires are somewhat dangerous even in the dry if it is below freezing outside as traction is significantly reduced, I suppose you can get by, but I'm not a fan, I like traction.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:06 pm

JamesMilko wrote:

Why are we arguing about all season tires and if you should use summer tires year round in NC (I do). Kevin said he wanted "a good set of Hi Perf Summer Tires."

Can't go wrong with RS-3s or Dunlop Star Spec Z1s IMO, no idea about fitment for a Z06 though. If you don't mind some lowered wet performances the Kuhmo XSs are also good. All 3 are a tire you can drive on the street and straight on to the track. And none of them make silly compromises for the un-fun season.

wet traction is very important on a Z06. not something you would want to compromise on.

thusly...................... PS2s. great wet traction..........................

end of discussion................ :stick:

Graham Jagger · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:53 am **Posts:** 1718

Kevin I sent you a PM on your question. While this may sound absolutely shocking to you, ignore the FWD rice burner crowd, listen to Steve :twisted:

I was running the Nitto NT05 as of late and for price/performance they aren't bad at all. You can drive them dry/wet on the street and have some mild fun with them on the track. Also in that price range and lower is the Firestone Firehawk. I'd take the NT05s.

I put Conti DW on Ann's CTS and they are nice. They aren't as good as PS2s. On a road course the PS2 kicks ass for a street tire. I've driven several different Vettes on track now and would always fall back on PS2 if money was no object. The DW is a good tire for sure. It's worth considering on the Z also. They have the sizes and the price is good.

As I mentioned. Don't shop for 265x40-17 fronts. You'll only get a few hits on any tire site. Use 275x40-17 front. Either run stock 295x35-18 or 305x35-18 on the rear. Stay away from 30 aspect tires on it other than slicks for the track. Leave the stagger alone, you want that stagger.

None of this has anything to do with how it performs on an AX course. I never did well with it on any type of tires. Driving it on a road course is just exhilarating.

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