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 Post subject: installing trailer brakes
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:28 am 
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I was wondering if anyone had installed trailer brakes to a trailer that previously didnt have them? i have a chance to pick up an utility trailer for next to nothing but needs some work! Tires, wooden deck replacement, few modifications to the actually lay out of the trailer. The only thing holding me back is the trailer brakes!!

thanks in advance.

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 Post subject: Re: installing trailer brakes
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:30 am 
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jeremy gast wrote:
I was wondering if anyone had installed trailer brakes to a trailer that previously didnt have them? i have a chance to pick up an utility trailer for next to nothing but needs some work! Tires, wooden deck replacement, few modifications to the actually lay out of the trailer. The only thing holding me back is the trailer brakes!!

thanks in advance.


Single axle or dual?

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 Post subject: Re: installing trailer brakes
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:00 am 
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jeremy gast wrote:
I was wondering if anyone had installed trailer brakes to a trailer that previously didnt have them? i have a chance to pick up an utility trailer for next to nothing but needs some work! Tires, wooden deck replacement, few modifications to the actually lay out of the trailer. The only thing holding me back is the trailer brakes!!

thanks in advance.

I have not done what you're asking, but I do have one piece of advice.

Do a complete inspection followed by a thorough budget on what you think needs to be done to the trailer. You may come out ahead just buying a new one. For whatever reason trailers typically hold their value really well, even in poor condition.

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 Post subject: Re: installing trailer brakes
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:15 am 
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dual axle if my rusty memory is correct

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 Post subject: Re: installing trailer brakes
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:34 am 
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Jason Mauldin wrote:
Do a complete inspection followed by a thorough budget on what you think needs to be done to the trailer. You may come out ahead just buying a new one. For whatever reason trailers typically hold their value really well, even in poor condition.


This is good advice. Having recently built my own 4'x7' utility trailer from scratch, I can tell you all those little things you listed Jeremy will add up quickly.

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 Post subject: Re: installing trailer brakes
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:58 am 
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the owner of said trailer was laughing when he said $100 or what ever so, need to find out how serious he is. it is a dual axle trailer.

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 Post subject: Re: installing trailer brakes
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:21 pm 
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May depend on the axle type. If "former mobile home one time use" parts may not be available.

If it will accommodate a "major brand" axle assembly such as Dexter you might actually be able to buy a complete axle with brakes, bearings, ezlube hub, etc. for a surprisingly low price if you can find a configuration to fit. Axle length could be specified when I ordered mine years ago (long story).

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 Post subject: Re: installing trailer brakes
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:55 pm 
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Don't forget that NC requires brakes on all axles, not just one.


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 Post subject: Re: installing trailer brakes
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:01 pm 
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I added brakes to my trailer. Picked up the parts from here. http://www.redneck-trailer.com/locations/11.htm

Can't remember the cost but it was back in 2004....

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 Post subject: Re: installing trailer brakes
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:30 pm 
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JamesMilko wrote:
Don't forget that NC requires brakes on all axles, not just one.

James,
Could you site your source on this? Our trailer was built by Kraftsman here in NC and only has brakes on one axle. Most that I can think of right off hand only have brakes on one axle, now that I'm thinking about it.

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 Post subject: Re: installing trailer brakes
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:52 pm 
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Here is the NC General Statute. No mention of brakes on all trailer axles. It does mention that the tow vehicle must have brakes on all wheels. I wonder if there is some confusion on how the law actually reads. In my understanding, "(e1)" applies only to the tow vehicle, while "(f)" applies to the vehicle being towed. I'm no lawyer though. :)


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§ 20‑124. Brakes.
(a) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with brakes adequate to control the movement of and to stop such vehicle or vehicles, and such brakes shall be maintained in good working order and shall conform to regulations provided in this section.

(b) Repealed by Session Laws 1973, c. 1330, s. 39.

(c) Every motor vehicle when operated on a highway shall be equipped with brakes adequate to control the movement of and to stop and hold such vehicle, and shall have all originally equipped brakes in good working order, including two separate means of applying the brakes. If these two separate means of applying the brakes are connected in any way, they shall be so constructed that failure of any one part of the operating mechanism shall not leave the motor vehicle without brakes.

(d) Every motorcycle and every motor‑driven cycle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with at least one brake which may be operated by hand or foot.

(e) Motor trucks and tractor‑trucks with semitrailers attached shall be capable of stopping on a dry, hard, approximately level highway free from loose material at a speed of 20 miles per hour within the following distances: Thirty feet with both hand and service brake applied simultaneously and 50 feet when either is applied separately, except that vehicles maintained and operated permanently for the transportation of property and which were registered in this or any other state or district prior to August, 1929, shall be capable of stopping on a dry, hard, approximately level highway free from loose material at a speed of 20 miles per hour within a distance of 50 feet with both hand and service brake applied simultaneously, and within a distance of 75 feet when either applied separately.

(e1) Every motor truck and truck‑tractor with semitrailer attached, shall be equipped with brakes acting on all wheels, except trucks and truck‑tractors having three or more axles need not have brakes on the front wheels if manufactured prior to July 25, 1980. However, such trucks and truck‑tractors must be capable of complying with the performance requirements of G.S. 20‑124(e).

(f) Every semitrailer, or trailer, or separate vehicle, attached by a drawbar or coupling to a towing vehicle, and having a gross weight of two tons, and all house trailers of 1,000 pounds gross weight or more, shall be equipped with brakes controlled or operated by the driver of the towing vehicle, which shall conform to the specifications set forth in subsection (e) of this section and shall be of a type approved by the Commissioner.

It shall be unlawful for any person or corporation engaged in the business of selling house trailers at wholesale or retail to sell or offer for sale any house trailer which is not equipped with the brakes required by this subsection.

This subsection shall not apply to house trailers being used as dwellings, or to house trailers not intended to be used or towed on public highways and roads. This subsection shall not apply to house trailers with a manufacturer's certificate of origin dated prior to December 31, 1974.

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 Post subject: Re: installing trailer brakes
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:11 pm 
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Sorry I misspoke. It was SC not NC. I knew one of the places I planned on towing required it. I'm on the phone with NC DMV now double checking for NC but the way I read the law just now states you only need brakes on all wheels for semitrailers, not regular trailers.

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/cgi-bin/que ... eyval=1106
SECTION 56-5-4850. Brake equipment.
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Every motor vehicle, trailer, semitrailer and pole trailer and any combination of such vehicles operating upon a highway within this State, shall be equipped with brakes in compliance with the requirements of this chapter.

(c) Every vehicle, manufactured or assembled after June 7, 1949, shall be equipped with brakes acting on all wheels except:

(1) Trailers, semitrailers or pole trailers, of a gross weight not exceeding three thousand pounds, provided that:

(a) The total weight on and including the wheels of the trailer shall not exceed forty per cent of the gross weight of the towing vehicle when connected to the trailer, and

(b) The combination of vehicles, consisting of the towing vehicle and its total towed load, is capable of complying with the performance requirements of § 56-5-4860.

(2) Any vehicle being towed in driveaway or towaway operations, provided the combination of vehicles is capable of complying with the performance requirements of § 56-5-4860.

(3) Trucks and truck-tractors having three or more axles need not have brakes on the front wheels, except that when such vehicles are equipped with at least two steerable axles, the wheels of one steerable axle need not have brakes. However, such trucks and truck-tractors must be capable of complying with the performance requirements of § 56-5-4860.

(4) Special mobile equipment.

(5) The wheel of a sidecar attached to a motorcycle or to a motor-driven cycle, or the front wheel of a motor-driven cycle need not be equipped with brakes, provided that such motorcycle or motor-driven cycle is capable of complying with the performance requirements of § 56-5-4860.


SC defines a "vehicle" as:
(1) "Vehicle" means every device in, upon, or by which a person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a highway, except devices moved by human power or used exclusively upon stationary rails or tracks.

Which should include a towed trailer.


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 Post subject: Re: installing trailer brakes
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:34 pm 
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I believe most states are like SC in that if you're over their specified weight, all axles have to have brakes. NC only requires them on any axle if over 4k pounds, SC requires them on all if over 3k pounds (based on what was just posted...not all trailers, just all trailers over 3k).

Now, if I had already made the choice to buy a trailer and it only had brakes on one axle, I'd probably live with it and I'd check them OFTEN. But the price difference to go to brakes on both axles is so minimal, folks *really* should get them on all axles. It's just too easy for you to get a failure on one, IMHO.

I know, I know, ten of you are going to post (or want to) that you've been towing with brakes on only one axle for years and years with no problem. Good for you. I hope it continues. Just pay attention to them, okay? Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: installing trailer brakes
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:50 pm 
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Jeremy, if the axles have a 4-bolt flange inboard of the spindle, then you usually can put brakes on them. That flange is for bolting on the brake backing plate.

Or even if those flanges aren't there, if you're handy (like lots of us are), you can weld on a 4-bolt flange.

All of this assumes the axles are a common type, where you can buy a brake drum to fit on the spindle. Send me some pics of the trailer wheels/hubs/axles, and I'll see what I can tell you about them. The 4x4 crowd is really into trailers because a lot of folks tow their off-road rig to the trails (and we're way more ghetto than even RallyX-ers, so we're always using old trailers with weird axles and trying to do things cheap). For example, here's some mobile home axle tech from a 4x4 guy:
http://pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Tr ... railer.htm

But if it's really a $100 trailer, then you could put new axles with brakes under it and still be looking good cost-wise.

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 Post subject: Re: installing trailer brakes
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:50 pm 
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Donnie Barnes wrote:
Now, if I had already made the choice to buy a trailer and it only had brakes on one axle, I'd probably live with it and I'd check them OFTEN. But the price difference to go to brakes on both axles is so minimal, folks *really* should get them on all axles. It's just too easy for you to get a failure on one, IMHO.

When I purchased my trailer, it was only $75-$100 more to add the brakes to the second axle. Well worth it in my opinion.

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