Nascar's latest Turd-Sandwich

steve remchak · **Posted:** Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:41 pm

so now they have crapped on the Busch Clash. whereas it was an All-Star race per say, now the groundhog has seen the error of his ways and everyone gets in. except Wild Bill. WTF? :twisted:

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:20 am

I watched a good chunk of it, and all I can say is this is lame. They can now go 190MPH at Daytona, but thanks to the restrictor plate they can't break up the pack at all. And thanks to the COT, you bounce around barely hanging on for dear life. And thanks to Goodyear, the tires go away in eight laps such that you probably can't hang on any more if things get three wide at all, which they seem to like to do thanks to the restrictor plate.

That's it for my latest NASCAR experiment.

--Donnie

steve remchak · **Posted:** Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:41 am

better yet Donnie, if i understood correctly the 500 will be run at night this year. i'm in until next monday morning and i am splitsville.

on a side note; the sound was sketchy, Fox bungled the audio and the stands appeared to be empty. i think Nascar is as broke as the rest of us.

Arthur McDonald · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:54 am **Posts:** 2052

The 500 will start at 3:30 next Sunday.
http://www.daytonainternationalspeedway ... edule.aspx

Graham Jagger · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:53 am **Posts:** 1718

I missed that but I watched the Arca/Remax series at Daytona. Ran from 11pm until after 1pm due to all the carnage! OMG! These guys were stacked up and collisions were taking out a dozen cars. Major carnage. I hate to say one of the entertaining parts is watching these guys play bumper cars. Some of the guys did get hurt. But the crashes are pretty spectacular. Makes youtube look boring...

That kid Legano is very impressive.

Kevin Harvey · **Posted:** Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:27 pm

Welcome to Spec Miata on a large scale oval.

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:19 pm

Graham Jagger wrote:

That kid Legano is very impressive.

You mean impressive in front of the camera? He got collected about 15 laps in. He will be a star someday, but for now, it'll be a big learning curve.

As for this being an "All Star" race, well, that it's not. It's anyone who won a pole in 2008, and in the case of David Stremme, he got in by acquiring Ryan Newman's old ride.

I do agree that Daytona/Talladega are some of the most boring races going, but there is always carnage, so people will continue to watch. By May, NASCAR will have tough time finding enough cars to fill a 35 person field, as compared to the "standard" 43 car field. People like Morgan Sheppard and Kirk Shelmerdine will be making the field in about 3-4 weeks, doing 4 or 5 laps and then collecting their check. As in everything, NASCAR is affected by the economy as much as anything else. Hell, there are $55 tickets for the Daytona 500, where there hasn't been a ticket under $100 for the last 15 years. - AB

RobLupella · **Posted:** Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:41 pm

Aaron Buckley wrote:

Graham Jagger wrote:

That kid Legano is very impressive.

You mean impressive in front of the camera? He got collected about 15 laps in. He will be a star someday, but for now, it'll be a big learning curve.

As for this being an "All Star" race, well, that it's not. It's anyone who won a pole in 2008, and in the case of David Stremme, he got in by acquiring Ryan Newman's old ride.

I do agree that Daytona/Talladega are some of the most boring races going, but there is always carnage, so people will continue to watch. By May, NASCAR will have tough time finding enough cars to fill a 35 person field, as compared to the "standard" 43 car field. People like Morgan Sheppard and Kirk Shelmerdine will be making the field in about 3-4 weeks, doing 4 or 5 laps and then collecting their check. As in everything, NASCAR is affected by the economy as much as anything else. Hell, there are $55 tickets for the Daytona 500, where there hasn't been a ticket under $100 for the last 15 years. - AB

Logano was in the ARCA/Remax race too where he finished 2nd I think. He is impressive but he is also driving class A equipment.

I agree NASCRAP is going to be hurting. They keep putting their heads in the sand with the greedy bastards who run it and they will find themselves running races with 30 fully sponsored cars. They have stopped catering to the real race fans who will support them both in good times and bad and jumped on to whatever lines their pockets the most - so bye bye N.Wilkesboro, Rockingham, traditional Southern 500 and hello boring California twice, Kansas, blah blah cookie cutter tracks. They fiddle with the points and then get upset when their fiddling excludes their two "stars" Earnhart and Gordon so they fix it again to hopefully make sure they get in.

For the next rant, F1 being ruined by Bernie :wink:

steve remchak · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:12 am

Aaron Buckley wrote:

Graham Jagger wrote:

That kid Legano is very impressive.

You mean impressive in front of the camera? He got collected about 15 laps in. He will be a star someday, but for now, it'll be a big learning curve.

As for this being an "All Star" race, well, that it's not. It's anyone who won a pole in 2008, and in the case of David Stremme, he got in by acquiring Ryan Newman's old ride.

I do agree that Daytona/Talladega are some of the most boring races going, but there is always carnage, so people will continue to watch. By May, NASCAR will have tough time finding enough cars to fill a 35 person field, as compared to the "standard" 43 car field. People like Morgan Sheppard and Kirk Shelmerdine will be making the field in about 3-4 weeks, doing 4 or 5 laps and then collecting their check. As in everything, NASCAR is affected by the economy as much as anything else. Hell, there are $55 tickets for the Daytona 500, where there hasn't been a ticket under $100 for the last 15 years. - AB

well wouldn't the Nascar of 1993 be a welcome change of pace. i remember the days of also-rans. honestly, i enjoyed the series a great deal more 20-25 years ago.

this years race was not a pole position placement race as in years past. i could be wrong but i understood it to be a manufacturers race. whereas all makes were equally represented. i don't believe all those cars won a pole last year. but i don't follow it enough to know for sure Aaron.

Graham Jagger · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:53 am **Posts:** 1718

Aaron Buckley wrote:

Graham Jagger wrote:

That kid Legano is very impressive.

You mean impressive in front of the camera? He got collected about 15 laps in. He will be a star someday, but for now, it'll be a big learning curve.

- AB

I meant in Arca/Remax. He was 2nd. I've seen him run last year in Arca/Remax and he did quite well. That's what got him a ride in the big league. He's got lots of natural talent. He's only 18yrs old so I agree he's got plenty more to learn and the time to do so.

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:11 am

Kevin Harvey wrote:

Welcome to Spec Miata on a large scale oval.

Huh? I've never seen SM's stay bunched up like that past, oh, half of the first lap. Good thing, too, or I wouldn't be racing them. I have a strong preference for something that lets driver skill move you up, and SM does. NASCAR on restrictor plate tracks is mostly just who gets lucky.

--Donnie

Kevin Harvey · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:13 pm

Donnie Barnes wrote:

Kevin Harvey wrote:

Welcome to Spec Miata on a large scale oval.

Huh? I've never seen SM's stay bunched up like that past, oh, half of the first lap. Good thing, too, or I wouldn't be racing them. I have a strong preference for something that lets driver skill move you up, and SM does. NASCAR on restrictor plate tracks is mostly just who gets lucky.

--Donnie

First lap Spec Pinata melee's is exactly what I was referring to as they relate to "the big one" at Daytona and Talledega. Don't get me wrong, I like watching Spec Miata as it is some of the best illustrations of driver's skill on a road course. My point is that NASCAR (as we all know) has become nothing more than a "spec" class on an oval.

I say take off the restrictor plates, take some of the aero parts off the cars and let's see who has the biggest set to hold it wide open through T4 at the fast tracks. Then we will find out who the "legends" are. I don't want someone to get hurt, but NASCAR on a big track is as boring as an Indy oval race. You are dead on in your restrictor plate lucky comment. How well you place all depends on who you have pushing you.

Kevin Harvey · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:16 pm

steve remchak wrote:

well wouldn't the Nascar of 1993 be a welcome change of pace. i remember the days of also-rans. honestly, i enjoyed the series a great deal more 20-25 years ago.

I agree. I just wish that you could actually buy what they are supposed to be racing. None of those "cars" that are raced on Sunday can be bought on Monday as a front V8 engine, rear wheel drive car. Heck, Toyota took a huge leap back in time to join the ranks of NASCAR. That's probably why I enjoy SCCA racing so much more nowadays.

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:25 pm

Kevin Harvey wrote:

I say take off the restrictor plates, take some of the aero parts off the cars and let's see who has the biggest set to hold it wide open through T4 at the fast tracks. Then we will find out who the "legends" are. I don't want someone to get hurt, but NASCAR on a big track is as boring as an Indy oval race. You are dead on in your restrictor plate lucky comment. How well you place all depends on who you have pushing you.

I was lucky enough to attend a pit pass race for Mark Martin at Rockingham probably about 5-6 yrs ago. It was awesome and included a 1 hour Q&A with him (there were about 50 people like myself there). The question about restrictor plates came up, and while Mark Martin hates restrictor plate races, he said they did a test in 2000 at Daytona without a plate and when the cars were going into turn 1 at over 240 mph, they decided that they needed to keep the existing restrictor plates on or move the seating back about 200 ft off of where they sit now to protect the fans from the flying debris. :shock:

Personally, I hate restrictor plate races and think that although it will cost the teams more money, they should put in V6's like the Buick's used to run back in the late 80's/early 90's. They were high revving engines and produced good power. You could certainly limit the displacement to keep them under the current speeds with restrictor plates. Economically speaking this isn't feasible though.

The series has seen it's best times already and I think the cookie cutter tracks have alienated a good portion of the core fans. - AB

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:31 pm

Kevin Harvey wrote:

I say take off the restrictor plates, take some of the aero parts off the cars and let's how many people we can kill

Fixed.

You just cant do it, these cars are just not capable of safely going THAT fast.

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