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 Post subject: The next MX5
PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:45 pm 
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There has been a lot of debate between designers and dealers on the next-generation Mazda MX-5. Mazda’s new design chief, Lauren Van den Acker, is now saying that the next Mazda MX-5 needs to be radical, a big step from the current model. Originally, dealers didn’t want a major change from the current model since customers were happy with the shape - yet the design team wanted to go all out and offer the market something fresh and new.


“The last one was too conservative and we can’t do another car like that. We need to make it more dramatic and give it some balls,” said Van den Acker in an interview with AutoCar.



The 4th generation model will arrive in 2012 and Mazda says it will still be a small rear-wheel-drive roadster but will be lighter and more fuel-efficient. In the meantime a facelift will arrive at the Paris Motor Show in Oct.


It was recently reported that Mazda has cancelled plans to built a MazdaSpeed version of the MX-5 due to the current market conditions.

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wow, can't believe there weren't any comments to this

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Marty Howard wrote:
Originally, dealers didn’t want a major change from the current model since customers were happy with the shape - yet the design team wanted to go all out and offer the market something fresh and new.


I think the above sums up what I think is wrong with "designers"

My first thought when I saw this earlier reminded me of some recent video games I have played. There is a series of games on PCs and Consoles called "Battlefield". A recent version of this game on the Xbox basically ditched a defining feature of the game. This was a result of the design team wanting to try something "new". The fans were not happy.

As much as I am sure it drives "idea people" crazy, the consumers want "the same thing, but different". To me this means that if it's not broke, don't fix it. And at the same time you do have to do something different, but just don't screw up the good parts.

My fear is that they are going to ruin a good thing. I personally don't like the looks of the current model vs. the 1st and 2nd generation models. If anything, I think they should revisit the 1st generation design ideas vs. trying something "fresh and new".

The Porsche 911 is a perfect example of this. Some may say it's boring, etc. But it is a classic design that Porsche really shouldn't mess with. I would say the same applies to the Miata.

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Richard Casto wrote:
Marty Howard wrote:
Originally, dealers didn’t want a major change from the current model since customers were happy with the shape - yet the design team wanted to go all out and offer the market something fresh and new.


I think the above sums up what I think is wrong with "designers"

My first thought when I saw this earlier reminded me of some recent video games I have played. There is a series of games on PCs and Consoles called "Battlefield". A recent version of this game on the Xbox basically ditched a defining feature of the game. This was a result of the design team wanting to try something "new". The fans were not happy.

As much as I am sure it drives "idea people" crazy, the consumers want "the same thing, but different". To me this means that if it's not broke, don't fix it. And at the same time you do have to do something different, but just don't screw up the good parts.

My fear is that they are going to ruin a good thing. I personally don't like the looks of the current model vs. the 1st and 2nd generation models. If anything, I think they should revisit the 1st generation design ideas vs. trying something "fresh and new".

The Porsche 911 is a perfect example of this. Some may say it's boring, etc. But it is a classic design that Porsche really shouldn't mess with. I would say the same applies to the Miata.


I agree with the plan to make the next Miata more ballsy and the design not so conservative. This car has just never looked right to me and the proportions don't look right.

Keeping things the same is for focus groups and people who can't deal with change. Consumers are sheep. They flock to identical neighborhoods so they can live in identical houses and drive identical Tahoes and Accords. Then the all buy Prius' (Priusi?, Pri?) as one lemming flock. The Miata is a niche car anyway, so if they offend some with the new design big deal, they will gain others if the design is good. (See Solstice formula) I would like the next one to be more aggressive looking and have some more Hp (doesn't need a lot, but enough). Maybe FI, but not just a Is this a 2012 or a 2008? OH yeah they changed the headlights.

Which are the good parts? Maybe your good parts are not someone else's. OMG it is not air cooled? Is that one of the good parts? Change is inevitable and needs to be. The 9xx is a classic design and one that is obviously successful judged from the marketplace.

So just call me an "idea" person

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While the Miata was orginally to be a niche car, it surprised everyone by selling over a million units. Only with the recent model has sales deminished in it's model life. This will be an important model change here. There has long been a complaint about the power levels of the stock model, but at the same time praise for it's balance and feel. I think something along the lines of the MS version for stock output and with classic british lines would still sell well. Then make a Boxster S challenger with the MS version.

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Even a standard Boxster buster would be nice.


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I have moved the SCCA SEB/MSMX5/ZOK GXP posts here...

http://www.thscc.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=79962

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Thank you Richard.


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I am coming over here to get IBTL. I have never been involved in a thread that got locked, I want to see why Steve does it all the time.

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Donnie Barnes wrote:
Who cares about being IBTL? The cool points come from CAUSING the lock!

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Oh, well crap. I don't know enough about this subject to even argue. If I call you some names will that work? Hey I did say something about pissing somebody off on a mercedes forum and the moderator put #### over the piss. How's that for being bad###.

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