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 Post subject: The continuing circus that is open wheel racing in America
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:28 am 
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Look what just got more ludicrous:


http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/ ... -approach/

There promises to be some major labor pains in the shotgun wedding of Champ Car and the Indy Racing League, which should become official with a press conference at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway on Friday morning. But nothing appears to be more indicative of the madness of this 12-year split than the weekend of April 18-20.

Unless there’s a last-minute intervention by the gods of reason, the IRL race at Motegi, Japan will run April 19 as scheduled and the 33rd annual Long Beach Grand Prix will take the green flag on April 20.

And both races will count towards the 2008 IRL championship.


That’s correct. The regular IRL teams will be on the oval in Japan with their Dallara-Hondas while the Champ Car teams that are expected to compete full time in the unified series will be running their Panoz-Cosworths for the final time. Drivers will earn equal IRL points in each event.

Apparently, this bizarre doubleheader in different parts of the world was the only compromise that could be reached to accommodate both sides. Long Beach is land-locked into its date and obviously must keep its tradition going in order to secure a new, longer contract.

After a visit from IRL founder Tony George, Motegi reportedly looked at moving to October to coincide with the race in Australia but wasn’t able to switch dates because it violated an ACCUS agreement concerning the Japanese Grand Prix at Suzuka. There cannot be another auto race within a six-week period on either side of Suzuka on Oct. 12, and Surfer’s Paradise runs Oct. 26.

So, the conflict that loomed as the final hurdle to unification earlier this month has been settled, although certainly not the way everyone had hoped.

“All I know is that we’re scheduled to have an open-wheel race and that’s our intention,” said Jim Michaelian, president and general manager at Long Beach, who was hoping to be able to promote Danica Patrick, Helio Castroneves and Graham Rahal vs. Marco Andretti, among others. “We’re in negotiations with the city to extend our contract through 2015 with a five-year option, and we’re looking forward to a good future with open-wheel racing.”

Longtime owner Derrick Walker got wind of the plan earlier this week and, understandably, isn’t real thrilled.

“We’re already going to be way behind the IRL guys, so now we’re going to run two IRL races, put away those cars, dust off our Panoz and tow them to California for a one-off race?” said Walker. “It really takes away from your IRL program – and I wonder how many guys will turn up? This is why it would be nice if the people in charge would have little discussions with the people who have to live with these decisions.

“I mean, it’s a nice way to say goodbye to the cars and to Champ Car, but I think somebody is going to have to place some big money on the table.”

The concern at both races will be car count. Champ Car gridded 17 cars most of 2007, while the IRL averaged 18-19 starters. It would appear both will be hard pressed to reach those numbers in April.

That’s why Paul Tracy, for one, remains optimistic.

“I can’t believe they won’t find a way to work this out so we can all run together,” he said. “Let’s just wait until they make the official announcement and see what happens.”

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So, could a team run both events (assuming that they had the appropriate car for each race, and could meet the ridiculous travel demands that such a task would require) and get an advantage in the points? Seems like such a scenario would benefit current CART teams more than IRL (cuz it wouldn't make a lot of sense for an IRL team to buy a Panoz-Cosworth for just one race, but the CART teams already have to buy Dallara-Hondas)

This is totally wacky. . .

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It is a mess with no easy solution given the problems that article describes. I would wonder if they could come to a financial agreement with those involved in the ACCUS agreement to allow Motegi to move to October. However I suspect that the Japanese GP promotors (Suzuka) could car less about IRL/Champ Car date issues. However I believe that Honda (engine provider for IRL) owns both Suzuka and Motegi, so they may be able to help push to make it happen.

I still blame Tony George for the entire mess. :lol:

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Ok, here is my off the wall solution...

The racers goto a Japan for the Motegi race. At Long Beach the have a special version of their traditional celebrity race. Instead of starting pro-drivers at the rear of the pack and a list of celebrities at the front, they fill up the rear with Paparazzi and put Britney Spears (and may a few other "special" celebrities such as OJ) at the front. Britney is allowed to drive as rough as she can and will have a supply of umbrellas that she can throw out of the car as they try to pass her. OJ could toss Bruno Magli shoes. Both the shoes and umbrellas will have spikes that flatten tires. Paparazzi will be a two person team per car. One driving, one hanging out the window taking photos.

Ok, was that in bad taste? :oops:

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Maybe the CART teams could do rent-a-rides for some of the IRL teams at Long Beach, they get a little money out of the whole mess of buying cars that are immediately obsolete, and the IRL teams don't get screwed on the points opportunity.

Or, they can do like the hockey strike and call the entire season off...

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I'm confused. What is this "open wheel racing in America" of which you speak? And why would anyone care about open wheel racing anyway???


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Donnie Barnes wrote:
I'm confused. What is this "open wheel racing in America" of which you speak? And why would anyone care about open wheel racing anyway???


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:lol: - so I don't :cry:

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Donnie Barnes wrote:
I'm confused. What is this "open wheel racing in America" of which you speak? And why would anyone care about open wheel racing anyway???


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I used to care and pay attention. I don't anymore. I am hoping I might again in the future. :D

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BriceJohnson wrote:
So, could a team run both events (assuming that they had the appropriate car for each race, and could meet the ridiculous travel demands that such a task would require) and get an advantage in the points?


Let's see.. traveling east across the International Date Line, the drivers, team owners and crew chiefs (maybe the crews) could get back to Long Beach in plenty of time, providing the Long Beach organizers show some flexibility in the qualifying schedule. All it takes is money.

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Richard Casto wrote:
It is a mess with no easy solution given the problems that article describes. I would wonder if they could come to a financial agreement with those involved in the ACCUS agreement to allow Motegi to move to October. However I suspect that the Japanese GP promotors (Suzuka) could car less about IRL/Champ Car date issues. However I believe that Honda (engine provider for IRL) owns both Suzuka and Motegi, so they may be able to help push to make it happen.

I still blame Tony George for the entire mess. :lol:


Actually I think Toyota owns Suzuka which is the cooler track but they race at Motegi because Honda owns it.


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Richard Casto wrote:
It is a mess with no easy solution given the problems that article describes. I would wonder if they could come to a financial agreement with those involved in the ACCUS agreement to allow Motegi to move to October. However I suspect that the Japanese GP promotors (Suzuka) could car less about IRL/Champ Car date issues. However I believe that Honda (engine provider for IRL) owns both Suzuka and Motegi, so they may be able to help push to make it happen.

I still blame Tony George for the entire mess. :lol:


Actually I think Toyota owns Suzuka which is the cooler track but they race at Motegi because Honda owns it.


I blame Tony George too.


No Honda does own both Suzuka and Motegi. Toyota owns Fuji Speedway. It was Toyota who pulled the Japanese F1 race from Suzuka to Fuji. I believe there is now an aggrement that the Japanese F1 race will bounce back and forth between Suzuka and Fuji.

I love Suzuka. IRL probably could not not race at Suzuka because I am sure F1 doesn't want Champ Car or IRL racing at the same track in the same configuration that they race at. They both could race at Indy because they use different track configurations.

I still blame Tony George. :lol:

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