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 Post subject: Saab TurboX Black
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:21 am 
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Saab Unleashes 21st Century Black Turbo

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• Performance car to celebrate 30th Anniversary of Saab turbocharging
• Launch of Saab XWD, innovative all-wheel-drive system
• Unique design evokes look for classic black Saab 900 Turbo
• Sport-tuned chassis: suspension, brakes, wheels
• 400 Nm / 280 hp (206 kW), 2.8 V6 Turbo: 0-100 kph in 5.7 seconds

Saab celebrates three decades of leadership in turbocharging at this year's Frankfurt International Motor Show by launching the Saab Turbo X, a driver-focused performance car that sets new standards for the brand.

This black limited edition model takes Saab 'back to the future' by evoking the iconic appeal of its first black 900 Turbo and introducing innovative Saab XWD technology.

It is unveiled today (11 Sept), exactly 30 years after Saab surprised the automotive world at Frankfurt when it revealed its first turbocharged model. That set a trend other manufacturers were to follow. Now Saab unleashes turbo power for the first time through Saab XWD, a cutting edge all-wheel-drive system that sets performance standards competitors will also seek to emulate.

With 400 Nm of torque from its 280 hp/ 206 kW 2.8V6 turbo engine, the Turbo X is the ultimate performance expression of the new Saab 9-3 range. Saab XWD features active management that not only splits torque delivery between both axles, but also between the rear wheels. This responsive system delivers a level of driver involvement and dynamic chassis control never seen before from Saab.

In addition to tuning of the suspension and its electronic chassis, throttle and powertrain settings, the Turbo X features distinctive styling additions that enhance aerodynamic performance.

Available in Sport Sedan or SportCombi bodystyles, the Saab Turbo X limited edition showcases the launch of Saab XWD. The order book is now open and the first customer deliveries are expected during the second quarter of next year. Each example can carry a personalized message in the main instrument display.

Driver in Focus with Saab XWD
• Intelligent Saab XWD for superb handling and roadholding
• Rear eLSD gives torque transfer up to 40% between wheels
• 2.8 V6 Turbo with twin-scroll turbocharger, variable valve timing
• Sports tuned chassis optimizes all-wheel-drive benefits

The Saab Turbo X adds a new dimension in chassis control to Saab's unrivalled experience in turbocharging. It is the result of a development program that leverages the full potential of Saab's innovative XWD system, with the car's sports tuned suspension, brakes and electronic control systems all aligned to meet a single need: driving satisfaction.

Saab XWD is an active all-wheel-drive system designed to optimize vehicle handling and stability. (Refer to New Saab 9-3 release for full technical description). Its sophisticated electronic control allows fine balancing of drive torque, not only between the two axles but also between the rear wheels. In effect, this stretches the performance envelope of the chassis, for example, raising the threshold at which ESP throttle and braking interventions are triggered. The result is closer driver involvement through 'positive force' chassis control.

The driving benefits of the XWD system are best appreciated out on the open road. Data from the ABS/ESP sensors - measuring wheel speed, yaw rate and steering angle – is utilized by the Saab XWD control module. Rear drive is instantly applied to balance oversteer and understeer characteristics, improving stability and roadholding.

Driver control is taken a step further on the Turbo X by the eLSD, the first application of an electronically-controlled, rear limited slip differential in this segment of the market. It uses inputs from the rear wheel speed sensors and can transfer up to 40% of torque between the drive shafts, to whichever wheel has more grip. When cornering hard, this yaw damping effect helps the rear of the car more closely follow the direction of the front wheels.

To exploit the full benefits of Saab XWD, the chassis of the Turbo X has been lowered by 10 mm and the springs and dampers stiffened to minimize body movement. To maintain a constant ride height irrespective of load, self-leveling dampers are fitted at the rear.

Stopping power is also increased with larger brake discs fitted: internally ventilated (345 mm diameter x 30 mm) at the front and externally ventilated (292 mm diameter x 20 mm) at the rear. Standard 235/45 R-18 tires ensure excellent mechanical grip for the 18-inch alloy wheels.

The powerhouse at the heart of the Turbo X is a 24-valve, 2.8-liter V6 turbo engine generating 400 Nm of torque between 2,150 and 4,500 rpm and maximum power of 280 hp (206 kW) at 5,500 rpm. The advanced specification includes a lightweight, all-aluminum construction with a 60-degree angle between the cylinder banks for perfect balance, variable inlet valve timing and twin-scroll turbocharging. It is offered with a choice of six-speed manual or automatic transmission.

This responsive, high torque powerplant is the perfect partner for Saab XWD. Together, they give the Saab Turbo X sporty, all-wheel-drive performance and handling characteristics that will appeal to all enthusiastic drivers who seek a rewarding experience behind the wheel.

Saab Black Turbo Reborn
• Distinctive Jet Black color in homage to first Saab 900 Turbo
• Functional sports bodystyling raises aerodynamic efficiency
• 'Turbo heritage' boost gauge and personalized driver display

The Saab Turbo X visually communicates its focus on driving performance by extending the bold, progressive design themes of the new 9-3 range. Offered only in metallic jet black, with the front grille and all exterior detailing accented in a matte grey titanium-like finish, it represents a contemporary expression of its illustrious black 900 Turbo forebear.

Distinctive styling additions are designed to improve aerodynamic efficiency, as well as emphasize the Turbo X's performance focus. At the front, a deeper lip spoiler and integrated air intake contribute to reduced drag while also increasing air flow to the engine and intercooler.

At the rear, the re-profiled bumper and insert panel lowers the point of air flow separation, further reducing drag and assisting high speed stability. The Sport Sedan features a rear spoiler that extends the line of the trunk deck, reducing high speed lift forces at the rear axle. The standard SportCombi already has a similar spoiler that extends the rear roof line.

The Turbo X is further distinguished by unique, 18-inch alloy wheels (19-inch available as an option outside US/Canada markets) with a grey titanium-like finish that evokes the look of Saab's classic three-spoke design. Twin, rhomboid-shaped tailpipes complete the exterior additions.

Inside, the 'black turbo' theme is continued throughout the cabin. The sports seating, with additional bolstering, is upholstered entirely in black leather. The sporty ambience is further emphasized by a carbon-fiber finish to the main fascia, door inserts, glove box and gear shift console which is unique to the Turbo X.

The driver benefits from improved 'feel' through the addition of a thick-rimmed, soft grip leather steering wheel. Seating comfort can be taken a step further with an optional premium, natural leather interior, which includes perforated bolsters for the front seat squabs and backs.

In recognition of Saab's turbo heritage, the Turbo X boost gauge is a replica of the original 900 Turbo display. Owners will also enjoy a personalized greeting when they get behind the wheel and switch on the ignition. A unique 'Ready For Take-off' message ('All Systems Go' in US/Canada) flashes in the main instrument display. The owner's name, with the edition number of the car, can also be programmed for display by the supplying dealer.

Saab Turbo X

Technical Specifications
Engine:
2792cc. V6. Aluminum cylinder heads and block. Twin-scroll turbocharger, intercooled. DOHC, 24-valve. Variable valve timing (inlet). Dual-mass flywheel. Bosch Motronic ECM
Max power: 280 hp (206 kW) @ 5,500 rpm. Max. torque: 400 Nm @ 2,150 - 4,500 rpm
Bore/stroke: 89.0/74.8 mm. Compression Ratio: 9.5: 1. Max. Boost Pressure: 0.8 bar.
Transmission:
Saab XWD, all-wheel-drive. Electronic rear limited-slip differential (eLSD)
6-speed manual or automatic gearbox
Suspension:
Front: MacPherson struts and gas shock absorbers. Anti-roll bar. Hydroformed sub-frame.
Rear: Indep, four link, incl. toe-link. Coil springs and self-levelling shock absorbers. Anti-roll bar. Sub-frame.

Steering:
Rack and pinion, hydraulic power assistance. Turning circle (curb to curb): 11.7m.Lock to lock: 2.75 turns
Wheels, Tires:
18 x 7.5" , 235/45R18,
19 x 7.5" , 235/40R19,
Brakes:
Hydraulic, dual circuit, vacuum booster. Discs: 345 mm / 292 mm (all ventilated)

Performance Data
(preliminary figures)

0 - 100 kph: Sport Sedan: 5.7 secs (manual)
SportCombi: 5.9 secs (manual)
80 - 120 kph (5th gear): Sport Sedan: 7.9 secs
SportCombi: 8.3 secs
Top Speed: Sport Sedan: 250 kph (manual)
SportCombi: 250 kph (manual)

Fuel consumption/CO2 (combined cycle, L/100km):
Sport Sedan: 10.9 / 259 gm/km (manual)
SportCombi: 11.0 / 263 gm/km (manual)

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:30 am 
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rant, slight derail...

Am I the only one who's tired of manufacturers and salesmen renaming four wheel drive?

Sorry, people, but All Wheel Drive and Four Wheel Drive are the same thing if the vehicle has four wheels. They're not the same on a 6-wheeled truck, but on a car or minivan...

All Wheel Drive does NOT say it has a center differential or computer controlled torque split or orange juicer or microwave built in. It simply says all the wheels are powered, and if there's four of them, then it's four wheel drive. Stop trying to make your car sound like a speshul snowflake and tell it like it is.

Why has no-one advertized their car with All Wheel Disc Brakes? Or All Passenger Seating?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:44 am 
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There is an actual difference between AWD and 4WD. AWD is AWD all the time, FWD can be selected between 2 and 4. Other than that, yes they are all the same.

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 Post subject: Re: Saab TurboX Black
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:14 am 
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Saab...


weird, i don't see any smoke in those pictures :wink:

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Marty Howard wrote:
There is an actual difference between AWD and 4WD. AWD is AWD all the time, FWD can be selected between 2 and 4. Other than that, yes they are all the same.


That's what the Subaru guys want you to believe anyway... They've learned to live with being called AWD Hacks. They couldn't deal with being called 4WD hacks :wink:

It's the same. You're just debating over whether there is a switch to disengage the front or rear wheels. They both do the same thing.

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Graham Jagger wrote:
It's the same. You're just debating over whether there is a switch to disengage the front or rear wheels. They both do the same thing.


Like Marty, I think it's quite a bit different. Back when I had a '87 Subaru 3 door hatch with 4WD, it was shift on the fly, but I had the choice to either use the 4WD or just FWD.

With true 4WD, you aren't ever supposed to run the car/truck on dry pavement in either high or low range for any extended period of time, for it applies torque very differently than AWD. AWD is designed for both on and off road.

Ask Donnie if he wishes his 996 Turbo AWD was a 4WD version ;) I bet he'd still have it if it was offered. - AB

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I was under the impression that 4wd was old school, in trucks (w/ transfer case and all that), locking the diffs for off road use only, while awd involved fancier diffs and was on all the time.

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Anyone know how this "up to 40% transfer" eLSD thing works? Sounds interesting, and something I wish BMW would put on its non-M cars.

Maybe I could retrofit it with a knob on the dash to select lockup. THAT would be cool.

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Aaron Buckley wrote:
Graham Jagger wrote:
It's the same. You're just debating over whether there is a switch to disengage the front or rear wheels. They both do the same thing.


Like Marty, I think it's quite a bit different. Back when I had a '87 Subaru 3 door hatch with 4WD, it was shift on the fly, but I had the choice to either use the 4WD or just FWD.

With true 4WD, you aren't ever supposed to run the car/truck on dry pavement in either high or low range for any extended period of time, for it applies torque very differently than AWD. AWD is designed for both on and off road.


I agree that while symantics may imply that "all the wheels are driven by some means therefore they are the same", real world application of torque is very different between the options. Case in point, my old '98 Dodge Durango had 2WD and AWD and 4WD options in the SAME transfer case.

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and of those options, 4WD was intended only for use on "loose surfaces", correct? This has always been my understanding of it, 4WD=locked diffs, AWD=some combination of limited slip diffs

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and of those options, 4WD was intended only for use on "loose surfaces", correct? This has always been my understanding of it, 4WD=locked diffs, AWD=some combination of limited slip diffs


Yes, it locks the center DIFF tight, and makes turning on pavement nearly impossible, if not expensive. AWD (or Full Time 4WD) operated like my Subaru - uses either open center diff, or some sort of LSD, but doesn't lock.

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Actually locking a center diff isn't all that bad on the street, at least on some cars. It makes the car understeer on turn initiation but then does nice things on exit. The quattros I had used locking diffs in the center AND rear. With the center locked the car felt coggy on the street. With both locked it was a bit of work to start a turn but nothing broke. The manual recommended against locking both diffs on dry pavement but didn't say that it would break anything.

I woudn't do the same with a Jeep or the like - they are not intended to be used in that way. I don't know what gets unhappy but I had a friend in high school who thought it was really cool to drive on the street in 4WD high. His transfer case didn't last long.

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FYI Locking hubs were (are?) a common aftermarket item for 4wd to allow the front drive train parts to be disengaged for normal 2wd use.

http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/hubs.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locking_hubs

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picked at random wrote:
and of those options, 4WD was intended only for use on "loose surfaces", correct? This has always been my understanding of it, 4WD=locked diffs, AWD=some combination of limited slip diffs

I rest my case.

"4WD" vs "AWD" is based on fuzzy marketing-speak, and no-one really knows what they're talking about when they say one or the other.

As opposed to useful information like "full-time 4WD" or "locking center diff" or other terms that aren't defined by an ad agency.

:twisted:

(No, I'm not taking this seriously, in case you can't tell.)


Back on topic, looks like Saabs might be about to be really cool again. What I read is that they're looking at becoming a smaller volume car-maker, concentrating on the weirder but awesome.

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